Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[DippyDon]

What are the 3 coaches like? We’ve heard all about how terrible you think Williamson is. But are the Bell, Magnay and Watson just as bad?

All part of the same team I guess? I can't say I've ever put much thought towards them and they haven't exactly stood out.

 

[shoddycollins]

All part of the same team I guess? I can't say I've ever put much thought towards them and they haven't exactly stood out.

Is that the Magnay that used to play for Hartlepool?

 

[Carver]

Well we were shit and heading down anyway, so he can't do any worse at least.

Any improvement is a bonus.

 

[DippyDon]

Is that the Magnay that used to play for Hartlepool?

It is indeed. We made a big thing because he played for us once on loan

 

[hellogregory]

Well I’m happy with the appointment.

 

[shoddycollins]

So the big question here, since we've apparently just paid compo to MK Dons for a manager who was close to being sacked.

Was he really? The MK Dons fans don't like him because of how they bottled last season's playoffs, and how poorly they've started this season, but do any of the Dons fans suspect that their club's new owners felt the same? Seems like both clubs were genuinely competing for a DoF/coach pairing they both rated. We got Williamson and his backroom team in the end but MK were able to keep Sweeting by offering him a better deal.

Both clubs with new foreign owners too. Wonder what advice they've been taking as we were initially planning on bringing in a DoF and then letting him bring in a manager. We still have a CEO who has been around in football in Nigel Clibbens, can't think who else they'd have relied on for a footballing perspective, Greg Abbot maybe?

 

[Carver]

Well I’m happy with the appointment.

Why?

If we had signed their sporting director too then maybe, but it's obvious that we've been conned and now we're left with a manager who a club only 20th in the table wanted to get rid of and we've gone and paid a lot of money for him.

Those franchise bastards have fleeced us!!

 

[DippyDon]

So the big question here, since we've apparently just paid compo to MK Dons for a manager who was close to being sacked.

Was he really? The MK Dons fans don't like him because of how they bottled last season's playoffs, and how poorly they've started this season, but do any of the Dons fans suspect that their club's new owners felt the same? Seems like both clubs were genuinely competing for a DoF/coach pairing they both rated. We got Williamson and his backroom team in the end but MK were able to keep Sweeting by offering him a better deal.

Both clubs with new foreign owners too. Wonder what advice they've been taking as we were initially planning on bringing in a DoF and then letting him bring in a manager. We still have a CEO who has been around in football in Nigel Clibbens, can't think who else they'd have relied on for a footballing perspective, Greg Abbot maybe?

It's an interesting one because we have new owners so all previous sackings are largely irrelevant. PW would have definitely been thinking about it once the league position mixed with the fans turning was obvious, but he's not here anymore.

It's not just starting at the play offs though, it's going back to February/March time. Going back to poor showings at Barrow and AFC, and absolute thrashings at Stockport, Mansfield and then the play offs. All of those issues have now been enhanced this season and he's very quickly lost all good will earned from his great start.

 

[David Curries Mullet]

He's a young manager who didn't deal well with the first real downturn he'd faced in his fledgling career. It was also the first time he'd have had the weight of a big Budget and expectations on him.

Maybe a fresh start at a struggling team is what he needs. Yes, you have new swanky owners, but it's been a shitshow so far so if he can bring some improvement to your results it might be the confidence boost he needs to kick on again.

 

[Kendalcufc]

Maybe working in Milton Keynes started to make him depressed. He was brought up on wonderful Northern air. His lungs and mind will be much clearer working in Cumbria.

 

[Kendalcufc]

Ooh, David Currie. A childhood hero. What a player. What a moustache.

Currie crossing into Reeves. We could do with a bit of that magic!

 

[DippyDon]

Maybe working in Milton Keynes started to make him depressed. He was brought up on wonderful Northern air. His lungs and mind will be much clearer working in Cumbria.

That wonderful Northern air of Stoke on Trent... he went as far as Torquay to escape that place.

I reckon geographical reasons are a big one, he still lives up there so was travelling however many days a week. But ultimately the results don't lie and I can look at every one of our losses since the turn of the year and put them down to MW's management in some way.

 

[Kendalcufc]

Robinson excluded MK aren't exactly renowned for sticking by their managers. One poor run and off with their heads.

I'll judge him by what he does at Carlisle United. Half-time on Saturday would be a much fairer time to form an opinion.

 

[DippyDon]

Robinson excluded MK aren't exactly renowned for sticking by their managers. One poor run and off with their heads.

I'll judge him by what he does at Carlisle United. Half-time on Saturday would be a much fairer time to form an opinion.

I see this a lot and from the outside… sure. But since Robinson we’ve only sacked managers for either being in the relegation zone in the hopes of making a successful change/lowest ever position since becoming MK in GA’s case, or actually being relegated. That all seems pretty fair to me.

 

[hellogregory]

Why?

If we had signed their sporting director too then maybe, but it's obvious that we've been conned and now we're left with a manager who a club only 20th in the table wanted to get rid of and we've gone and paid a lot of money for him.

Those franchise bastards have fleeced us!!

Why? Because compared to some of the other dinosaurs we were linked with it looks decent. He’s a young manager with a good win record, he took over a struggling team last season and almost took them to the top 3.

Other than Elliot and Williamson, we’ve been either linked with unrealistic pie in the sky managers like Alex Neil, dinosaurs like Nigel Pearson or options like Pete Wild who for sure would be a disaster.

And how do you know they were wanting rid of him anyway? Because of what a few fans online have said?

 

[shoddycollins]

Why?

If we had signed their sporting director too then maybe, but it's obvious that we've been conned and now we're left with a manager who a club only 20th in the table wanted to get rid of and we've gone and paid a lot of money for him.

Those franchise bastards have fleeced us!!

Well that's why I asked the MK fans. We don't know they wanted rid of him... we're just assuming so because their fans wanted rid of him... both clubs have new owners who don't know a lot about football but clearly someone who knows football rates him or there wouldn't have been a tug of war for his signature (unless we really believe what I presume to be a joke, that this was all a ploy by Sweeting pretending he was interested in moving to Carlisle to offload Williamson before backing out and going back to MK)

 

[DippyDon]

Well that's why I asked the MK fans. We don't know they wanted rid of him... we're just assuming so because their fans wanted rid of him... both clubs have new owners who don't know a lot about football but clearly someone who knows football rates him or there wouldn't have been a tug of war for his signature (unless we really believe what I presume to be a joke, that this was all a ploy by Sweeting pretending he was interested in moving to Carlisle to offload Williamson before backing out and going back to MK)

Have to disagree there, our new owner is part of the family that owns Kuwait SC, one of the most successful clubs in that country. English football, possibly, but even then I wouldn't rush to agree.

 

[Kendalcufc]

Patience is a word that has fallen away from football. Patience is not tolerated in this fast food throwaway society we now live in and that's no more apparent than with football fans.

Carlisle fans are generally very tolerant. It does take a lot for the entire fan base to turn. Either an epic run of bad form or our league existence is at stake. Look at Simpson. I know he's slightly different but by christ it took the fan base an eternity to turn on him.

He's not the only one. Except Mcdonald I think every other manager survived longer than they should've done. Arguably this is a detrimental trait but I like it.

Unfortunately with our new owners I do feel like the patience tide is slowly flowing in the opposite direction with our fan base.

 

[shoddycollins]

Have to disagree there, our new owner is part of the family that owns Kuwait SC, one of the most successful clubs in that country. English football, possibly, but even then I wouldn't rush to agree.

ah yes, the footballing powerhouse that is Kuwait.

 

[DippyDon]

ah yes, the footballing powerhouse that is Kuwait.

Top of their Premier League at the moment and regular continental appearances. Say what you will but they aren't footballing novices.

 

[hellogregory]

Robinson excluded MK aren't exactly renowned for sticking by their managers. One poor run and off with their heads.

I'll judge him by what he does at Carlisle United. Half-time on Saturday would be a much fairer time to form an opinion.

Half time?

Can you not at least give him a full match

 

[kieran_vale]

Seems like the best result for all parties. Carlisle get the person they’ve targeted and it did seem Williamson wouldn’t have been much longer for MK so they avoid paying him off. Williamson wouldn’t be the first to jump from one L2 club where patience was running thin and maybe enjoying success elsewhere. That’s pretty much what happened with Darrell Clarke when he left Walsall for us.

 

[chipmunx]

I see this a lot and from the outside… sure. But since Robinson we’ve only sacked managers for either being in the relegation zone in the hopes of making a successful change/lowest ever position since becoming MK in GA’s case, or actually being relegated. That all seems pretty fair to me.

Alexander got sacked for blowing a 2-0 (after 92mins) lead at home to us.

 

[chipmunx]

Seems like the best result for all parties. Carlisle get the person they’ve targeted and it did seem Williamson wouldn’t have been much longer for MK so they avoid paying him off. Williamson wouldn’t be the first to jump from one L2 club where patience was running thin and maybe enjoying success elsewhere. That’s pretty much what happened with Darrell Clarke when he left Walsall for us.

MK are laughing all the way to the bank though.

 

[Carver]

I can't see many good managers wanting to go to MK Dons to work with Sweeting now after he's found out to mess about with his managers for his own personal gain.

Not to be trusted.

 

[shoddycollins]

Top of their Premier League at the moment and regular continental appearances. Say what you will but they aren't footballing novices.

I mean you've got Sweeting to make those decisions anyway so given that he's staying at MK your owners' footballing knowledge is less of a factor... we assume Sweeting rates Williamson.

 

[kieran_vale]

MK are laughing all the way to the bank though.

Right now sure. But if he turns them around and has them in the top 7 whether this season or next then it’s a small outlay for Carlisle in reality. How much MK will be laughing though is also dependent who they replace him with.

 

[Carver]

Right now sure. But if he turns them around and has them in the top 7 whether this season or next then it’s a small outlay for Carlisle in reality. How much MK will be laughing though is also dependent who they replace him with.

This could really backfire on them and it would be funny if it does not just for us but for all football.

 

[Gi Dalor]

MK are laughing all the way to the bank though.

Not if they're after Lindsey, because 200k isn't getting that done.

 

[DippyDon]

Alexander got sacked for blowing a 2-0 (after 92mins) lead at home to us.

Yeah, the result that broke the camels back or whatever the saying is. It had us like 18th in the league with no signs of improvement.

I mean you've got Sweeting to make those decisions anyway so given that he's staying at MK your owners' footballing knowledge is less of a factor... we assume Sweeting rates Williamson.

It's going to be a group effort between Fahad, the new CEO, Sweeting and Simon Crampton. Someone on our Facebook groups has sad LS and MW had a fall out and that's why LS pulled out of moving to you guys but take that with a pinch of salt as he's also said we're looking at Nigel Clough.