Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[1862]

I think Williamson is a good manager, but it's going to take time to implement his style. Nothing wrong with taking time to build up over more than a single season, as long as the owners/fans have the patience.

What MK do now will be really interesting, they seemed to be all in on Williamson's style, so do they go for that sort of manager again (Elliot being the obviously option there) or tweak the plan?

 

[valefan16]

Odd one on the face of it as MK are struggling with high expectation under him, Carlisle with high expectation are also struggling so seems a sideways move for Williamson and for Carlisle in terms of what hes so far achieving.

That said as mentioned Walsall fans were loving DC going for compensation to Vale (all be it seemed to hate us over it) and 15 months later he leads us to Play Off glory and is worshiped at Vale Park so could work.

 

[jacobncfc]

I think Williamson is a good manager, but it's going to take time to implement his style. Nothing wrong with taking time to build up over more than a single season, as long as the owners/fans have the patience.

What MK do now will be really interesting, they seemed to be all in on Williamson's style, so do they go for that sort of manager again (Elliot being the obviously option there) or tweak the plan?

He really reminds me a bit of Burchnall. Clearly a very good coach who understands his tactics really well, can get a team playing lovely football and improves players, but can’t accept that if you’re going to be good you need to go and grind your way to a result in the arse end of nowhere every so often.

I actually wonder if he might do quite well at first with Carlisle because he’s going to have to work with what he’s got for a bit. That midfield he’s been allowed to put together at MK is ridiculous, be bullied by a light breeze.

 

[Carver]

I think Williamson is a good manager, but it's going to take time to implement his style. Nothing wrong with taking time to build up over more than a single season, as long as the owners/fans have the patience.

What MK do now will be really interesting, they seemed to be all in on Williamson's style, so do they go for that sort of manager again (Elliot being the obviously option there) or tweak the plan?

We're patient and so are our owners, perhaps too patient but I don't want us to be in a relegation fight.

 

[hellogregory]

I can't see many good managers wanting to go to MK Dons to work with Sweeting now after he's found out to mess about with his managers for his own personal gain.

Not to be trusted.

I can see plenty wanting the MK Dons job.

 

[SaddlerJonny]

Odd one on the face of it as MK are struggling with high expectation under him, Carlisle with high expectation are also struggling so seems a sideways move for Williamson and for Carlisle in terms of what hes so far achieving.

That said as mentioned Walsall fans were loving DC going for compensation to Vale (all be it seemed to hate us over it) and 15 months later he leads us to Play Off glory and is worshiped at Vale Park so could work.

Not seen a bigger whinger down here than DC. Fans were mostly fed up of him and his football. Plus it is always fun to add a bit of needle.

 

[Stocky]

The issue at Brunton Park for incoming manager Michael "Mike" Williamson will be looming shadow that is Paul Simpson.

Simpson will be in the stands every home match, the SKY and IFollow cameramen (and women) will be on orders to pan to Simpson every time Carlisle let a goal in. Cue Simpson shaking his head looking downbeat. It's like Man Unied and Ferguson.

 

[Conker]

MK had the ideal players for Williamson, going to take a lot of money and potentially time to get Carlisle with a squad that suits him.

 

[Si Robin]

Not seen a bigger whinger down here than DC. Fans were mostly fed up of him and his football. Plus it is always fun to add a bit of needle.

It's not just me that thinks this of him then?

Seriously - the fucking love-in that Cheltenham fans have for the bloke is sickening. We're not allowed to place any blame on him for our relegation because what sent us down was the first 11 games and not the remaining 35 that he was in charge for!

That he jumped ship within a month of relegation means only the board are culpable and not him apparently.

 

[hellogregory]

This quote from the MK Dons statement doesn’t sound like they were close to sacking him.

MK Dons made every effort to keep Mike and his coaching staff, rejecting an initial approach before Carlisle indicated they would be willing to meet a release clause in his contract.

At this stage, Mike was granted formal permission to speak with Carlisle and indicated he wished to pursue the opportunity.

 

[DippyDon]

This quote from the MK Dons statement doesn’t sound like they were close to sacking him.

MK Dons made every effort to keep Mike and his coaching staff, rejecting an initial approach before Carlisle indicated they would be willing to meet a release clause in his contract.

At this stage, Mike was granted formal permission to speak with Carlisle and indicated he wished to pursue the opportunity.

I mean ultimately believe what you want but it’s the most unanimous I’ve seen the fanbase in wanting a manager out since Robbie Neilson and the board are ambitious, it wasn’t going to go on for much longer.

Rejecting the initial bid could simply just mean we wanted the full amount specified in his contract and believed you’d pay it, which you have.

 

[hellogregory]

I mean ultimately believe what you want but it’s the most unanimous I’ve seen the fanbase in wanting a manager out since Robbie Neilson and the board are ambitious, it wasn’t going to go on for much longer.

Rejecting the initial bid could simply just mean we wanted the full amount specified in his contract and believed you’d pay it, which you have.

Possibly, but why bother putting in the statement that they were trying to keep him if they weren’t?

 

[DippyDon]

Possibly, but why bother putting in the statement that they were trying to keep him if they weren’t?

Maybe they were holding off and weren't at the level of the fans yet, I'm not sure. It could also just be a comment to show why they didn't just accept the first bid that came through. But ultimately, whether the board were ready to pull the trigger now or were waiting a couple more games, MW wouldn't have lasted much longer. Saturday alone would have proved extremely toxic the moment we conceded or didn't win convincingly.

 

[Kendalcufc]

I wouldn't bother hellogregory

DippyDon seems like one of those classic football forum fans who thinks he knows more about the ins and outs of deals than the actual people conducting the deals.

There's a few turned up on our message board. All full of the usual old clichés you hear after someone moves from one club to the next.

Mike Williamson doesn't give a shite that you wanted him out and neither do we. Move on old chap.

 

[DippyDon]

I wouldn't bother hellogregory

DippyDon seems like one of those classic football forum fans who thinks he knows more about the ins and outs of deals than the actual people conducting the deals.

I'm not saying I know what happened during the talks, my previous post is admittedly pure speculation based on things I actually do know from within both the club and the fanbase. Part of that being that the owners are ambitious, and wouldn't allow the current run of form to carry on.

When the fans turn it's a slippery slope and as mentioned and as anyone can see online, they'd turned.

I don't blame you for being excited, I'm just here giving our side of things. I remember ignoring Exeter fans when it came to Paul Tisdale because of his on paper record with them and low and behold, they were right.

 

[Kendalcufc]

I'm not saying I know what happened during the talks, my previous post is admittedly pure speculation based on things I actually do know from within both the club and the fanbase. That being the owners are ambitious, and wouldn't allow the current run of form to carry on.

And just maybe they had full faith that he would turn it around. Unless you've sat in the boardroom you have zero idea what their thoughts were regarding him. The only thing we do know is that they rejected our first offer.

 

[DippyDon]

And just maybe they had full faith that he would turn it around. Unless you've sat in the boardroom you have zero idea what their thoughts were regarding him. The only thing we do know is that they rejected our first offer.

From everything I've heard... they didn't. But they are business people and are there to maximise whatever they can get, and you eventually paid the full amount so thank you for that.

 

[Kendalcufc]

Ah!

So you have sat in the boardroom and heard their thoughts.

My mistake. Please accept my apologies.

 

[valefan16]

It's not just me that thinks this of him then?

Seriously - the fucking love-in that Cheltenham fans have for the bloke is sickening. We're not allowed to place any blame on him for our relegation because what sent us down was the first 11 games and not the remaining 35 that he was in charge for!

That he jumped ship within a month of relegation means only the board are culpable and not him apparently.

He just used to say it how it was and personally liked that, similar to Micky Adams with us who was held in similar esteem by the fans (promotions obviously help with that!).

He turned us around from heading out the league to a first Wembley trip and promotion within 15 months and with incredibly difficult circumstances for him in the background so will always have huge love and respect from Vale fans, I would love for him to one day return to the club.

Got to remember Walsall nose dived after he left for us and never really recovered (maybe until this season if they keep up their form) and lost key players without replacements that January and Cheltenham he almost pulled off a miracle escape.

Of all the managers we've had since the Great John Rudge left in 99 Micky Adams and DC are the only two who have given us any real joy such as been the suffering!

 

[saddler78]

It's not just me that thinks this of him then?

Seriously - the fucking love-in that Cheltenham fans have for the bloke is sickening. We're not allowed to place any blame on him for our relegation because what sent us down was the first 11 games and not the remaining 35 that he was in charge for!

That he jumped ship within a month of relegation means only the board are culpable and not him apparently.

He'll soon jump ship for a better opportunity DC I couldn't really blame him here myself tbh he wasn't backed with Pomlett using Covid as an excuse as he did for almost everything at the time.However as Jonny said a lot were losing patience with him anyway personally I think it was right man wrong time for DC here.

 

[Si Robin]

Got to remember Walsall nose dived after he left for us and never really recovered (maybe until this season if they keep up their form) and lost key players without replacements that January and Cheltenham he almost pulled off a miracle escape.

I get the Vale love for him, completely understand it. I feel the same about Michael Duff, yet Swansea fans I spoke to on the train a few weeks back can't abide him for their own reasons.

Let's get this right though, it would not have been a miracle if we had stayed up. In fact, I daresay it was a failure (to his credit, so did he). We were never more than 10 points from safety after the first 11 games, never more than 7 after his first win, and before Christmas we had the first opportunity of loads to get out of the relegation zone. That we didn't get out of the relegation zone once is as much on him as it was Wade Elliott the board and the players.

Whilst he tells it as it is though, he also makes it very clear how much nothing is his fault. A common theme from his interviews - "I'm not complaining about the restraints I'm under" - which is effectively code for look how great I am having to work under such circumstances. The fact he refused to use the training ground because it wasn't up to scratch - despite it being fine for our previous two managers who were much more successful than him - basically summed his time up with us. He gets the fans on board, then calls out all and sundry to make himself look better. And our fans bought it, hook, line and sinker.

 

[OneDecentLester]

The only thing that makes sense in my head about this appointment is that it’s much closer to home for Williamson. But other than that I’m really surprised he’s left MK this early in the season, when he’s put that whole squad together over the summer, making about 20 signings in the process, as well as them being much fancied to do well too (I know it’s been a poor start for them but long way to go). Now he’s going to be starting completely over at Carlisle, and he’s going to have to work with a set of players who may not fit his style etc (I’ve no idea as I know nothing about that Carlisle team) until at least January.

Just seems a really weird one to me, but maybe it’s as simple as he was sick of the south (can’t blame him) and wanted to move back north.

Unless there’s something amiss with these new MK owners that we don’t know about

 

[Casey]

I did see Lindsey is one of the favourites for the MK job. Makes sense in the "if you can't beat 'em, hire the bugger" sort of way.

Take heart Cumbrians. When we paid compo to Swindon their fans did laugh a bit saying you should of waited because we were just about to sack him but it was the best bit of business the owners did. Saved us the first season and got us promoted the next!

Casey

 

[DippyDon]

I did see Lindsey is one of the favourites for the MK job. Makes sense in the "if you can't beat 'em, hire the bugger" sort of way.

Take heart Cumbrians. When we paid compo to Swindon their fans did laugh a bit saying you should of waited because we were just about to sack him but it was the best bit of business the owners did. Saved us the first season and got us promoted the next!

Casey

I have said I expect him to do well elsewhere, but it wasn’t working here and hasn’t been for some time now. It’s a win for all parties, this deal

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

The only thing that makes sense in my head about this appointment is that it’s much closer to home for Williamson. But other than that I’m really surprised he’s left MK this early in the season, when he’s put that whole squad together over the summer, making about 20 signings in the process, as well as them being much fancied to do well too (I know it’s been a poor start for them but long way to go). Now he’s going to be starting completely over at Carlisle, and he’s going to have to work with a set of players who may not fit his style etc (I’ve no idea as I know nothing about that Carlisle team) until at least January.

Just seems a really weird one to me, but maybe it’s as simple as he was sick of the south (can’t blame him) and wanted to move back north.

Unless there’s something amiss with these new MK owners that we don’t know about

MK is not the South.
Never.

 

[GTFCfish]

Alexander got sacked for blowing a 2-0 (after 92mins) lead at home to us.

I’m shocked to see you manage to get Barrow a mention in this thread, just so out of character.

 

[GTFCfish]

MK is not the South.
Never.

Fake News.

 

[Scum.]

MK is not the South.
Never.

Midlands ain’t we. SOUTH midlands?

 

[Tallow]

The issue at Brunton Park for incoming manager Michael "Mike" Williamson will be looming shadow that is Paul Simpson.

Simpson will be in the stands every home match, the SKY and IFollow cameramen (and women) will be on orders to pan to Simpson every time Carlisle let a goal in. Cue Simpson shaking his head looking downbeat. It's like Man Unied and Ferguson.

Absolutely 100% incorrect.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

So we can gather from the head coach ahead of DOF appointment that we were certainly going for the MK Dons DOF aswell because we were never supposed to appoint head coach first.........suggests we are looking elsewhere now on that front.

for me its probably a good thing, that isnt me dismissing the MK dons DOF, moreso there is a massive difference between players you attract to MK Dons (exceptional location) to Carlisle

we realistically need to find a DOF with good connections in midlands and north and knows scotland and maybe non league..............just a little more than Abbotts Bradford only connections.

although I'll say it now as a Carlisle fan, I am getting very worried at the scary levels of batsh*t cash this lot are spending, not only we have the two highest paid players in division, now probably spending £200-500,000 (considering all the other coaches) on a coaching set-up that lets be honest hasnt been working of late.

investment I want, with good planning yes.........willy nilly thorwing of cash all over place then buggering off with £30 million debts.........no.