The Coalition of Expensive Chaos

[.V.]

Unbelievable.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.in...ve-no-deal-select-committee-a7630626.html?amp

 

[Abertawe]

Hammond does a u-turn on NI for self employed.

 

[Red]

Theresa May whining about The National Trust dropping the word Easter from their egg hunt events on the very same day she goes crawling to prolific human rights abusers, begging them to buy more British made smart bombs to drop on Yemeni civilians. She is sooooo a Christian.

#postbrexittradedeals

 

[Benji]

The Sun reaction to Corbyn being vaguely flattering about Castro after he died compared to Liam Fox hanging out and going on a charm offensive with an active genocidist the other day.

And the Theresa May thing.
https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/849574645435158528

 

[johnnytodd]

Doing a great job , business booming.

 

[.V.]

TM top two aides, who she's leaned heavily on, have quit. Coalition of chaos here we go.

 

[Techno Natch]

TBF I don't think they have any choice. It shows May up though throwing other people under the bus including her own MP's but won't do the decent thing and resign. Personally I hope she stays on until the next election.

 

[Abertawe]

She looks utterly broken. Is that really a slave chain

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/873983788954640391

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Getting on with it is the new strong and stable.

 

[PuB]

She looks utterly broken. Is that really a slave chain

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/873983788954640391

Yep. Gove is holding the end of it though.

 

[HertsWolf]

TBF I don't think they have any choice. It shows May up though throwing other people under the bus including her own MP's but won't do the decent thing and resign. Personally I hope she stays on until the next election.

This is the bit that I think has shocked many people. My father-in-law is a real dyed in the wool rural Tory....calls Salisbury 'the big city' and when people talk about inner-city problems, gangs, murders...that's where appears in his mind. Despite out obvious antipathy, he was constantly trying to sell us the Tories simply by virtue of Theresa May being 'a good woman'.

He is shocked by her behaviour now. To the core. I feel sorry for people (of any political shade) when their MPs or elected officials turn out to be low-lifes.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

I expect everyone to be a low life. People should stop being naive.

 

[smat]

The Queen's speech will be delayed for 'at least a few days'. The absolute state of this.

 

[Abertawe]

This is the bit that I think has shocked many people. My father-in-law is a real dyed in the wool rural Tory....calls Salisbury 'the big city' and when people talk about inner-city problems, gangs, murders...that's where appears in his mind. Despite out obvious antipathy, he was constantly trying to sell us the Tories simply by virtue of Theresa May being 'a good woman'.

He is shocked by her behaviour now. To the core. I feel sorry for people (of any political shade) when their MPs or elected officials turn out to be low-lifes.

I don't think she's calling the shots anymore. She's there by default because getting rid of her would trigger an election I reckon. She's literally a puppet right now. It's a sad state seeing our PM looking such a state but we are where we are.

 

[Habbinalan]

The Queen's speech will be delayed for 'at least a few days'. The absolute state of this.

I guess that'll be a in couple of weeks then - unless they're going to do a late shift or move the venue?

 

[HertsWolf]

Strong and s.t.a.b.l.e.

 

[HertsWolf]

Seems there's been a breakthrough with the DUP. It's been agreed that the Queen will do the Queen's Speech wearing faded camouflage, sunglasses and a beret.

 

[Red]

 

[Red]

It will probably have escaped most people's notice (perhaps not Abertawe's though), that before the election I was raising the suggestion that Labour would probably be better off with a leader as left as JC, but not JC. What gave rise to that view was not any perceived failings on the part of the man himself, but rather a sinking feeling that the treachery of the PLP allied with the media portrayal of him would make it impossible for Labour to gain any traction and even sink into the mire.

I can't find the exchange, but Abertawe sagely advised me not to to give up on the situation or JC. I was always planning on voting Labour, I always do because that's how I'm wired, but I was starting to give up on JC's chances of any sort of success.

How wrong I was. I'm not going to go over how the Tories contrived to fuck everything up, that's been done already, but why and how JC has garnered so much popularity is definitely worth discussion.

Personality wise I think his greatest quality is the ability to connect with people as evidenced by his campaigning out and about around the country. When he speaks he does so in a way that people go away thinking 'yeah, he's one of us' and how many politicians could you say that about?

For me one of his biggest achievements was using social media to nullify the shitrags. Despite their best efforts to demonise him I think people rejected that because they'd seen that he wasn't the threat they were portraying and that after reading the manifesto or listening to him accepted that what he was offering was a real change.

I also think he's changed he political landscape and how we do politics now. Much of May's presidential campaign centred on 'It's me or Jeremy Cortbyn' and for many people that was rightly in my view perceived as arrogance and complacency. Conversely JC's campaign did not centre around ad hominem attacks, but focused on positively promoting his policies and people who were undecided gravitated towards that style.

JC might not have won the election but he's got young people engaged in politics, mopped up some UKIP votes, shown that the trashloid media can be defeated and got most of the PLP eating humble pie and on board. Not bad for a scruffy terrorist sympathising Commie.

 

[Jockney]

It will probably have escaped most people's notice (perhaps not Abertawe's though), that before the election I was raising the suggestion that Labour would probably be better off with a leader as left as JC, but not JC. What gave rise to that view was not any perceived failings on the part of the man himself, but rather a sinking feeling that the treachery of the PLP allied with the media portrayal of him would make it impossible for Labour to gain any traction and even sink into the mire.

I can't find the exchange, but Abertawe sagely advised me not to to give up on the situation or JC. I was always planning on voting Labour, I always do because that's how I'm wired, but I was starting to give up on JC's chances of any sort of success.

How wrong I was. I'm not going to go over how the Tories contrived to fuck everything up, that's been done already, but why and how JC has garnered so much popularity is definitely worth discussion.

Personality wise I think his greatest quality is the ability to connect with people as evidenced by his campaigning out and about around the country. When he speaks he does so in a way that people go away thinking 'yeah, he's one of us' and how many politicians could you say that about?

For me one of his biggest achievements was using social media to nullify the shitrags. Despite their best efforts to demonise him I think people rejected that because they'd seen that he wasn't the threat they were portraying and that after reading the manifesto or listening to him accepted that what he was offering was a real change.

I also think he's changed he political landscape and how we do politics now. Much of May's presidential campaign centred on 'It's me or Jeremy Cortbyn' and for many people that was rightly in my view perceived as arrogance and complacency. Conversely JC's campaign did not centre around ad hominem attacks, but focused on positively promoting his policies and people who were undecided gravitated towards that style.

JC might not have won the election but he's got young people engaged in politics, mopped up some UKIP votes, shown that the trashloid media can be defeated and got most of the PLP eating humble pie and on board. Not bad for a scruffy terrorist sympathising Commie.

I will never forget John McTernan appearing on the BBC during the first leadership election calling for the removal of Jeremy Corbyn as leader... before he'd even actually been elected. I will never forget the Day One attempt of much of the PLP to betray the wishes of the membership; they hamstrung this Labour campaign more than any other single faction has ever done, while having the gall to compare Jeremy's leadership to the 70s Militant Tendency. For two years, the hypocrisy and contempt has been unbelievable.

By all means, if these people are genuinely contrite, they must be forgiven. Unfortunately, Jeremy's Leadership still cannot lead the Labour Party to a majority in the election without the parliamentary and institutional support of those groups. They cannot be given senior cabinet positions, however. The MSM commentariat seem to believe that hiring Blairites to positions like security is good strategic sense for Labour going forward. Where the fuck have these people been for two years? These people are opposed to Corbyn on a fundamental ideological level. They're just waiting for him to make a mistake. With the exception of maybe a couple of positions which definitely need old, experience heads (Northern Ireland for one), Corbyn has to put faith in those who have been loyal to him and those who have shown real talent in this election cycle: your Angela Rayners, Clive Lewises. They look like future leader material. They're young, sharp and conscientious (so far at least). They seem to genuinely believe in the project.

One old fella always with a good head on his shoulders, who could see the bigger picture and has never been scared go against the grain of popular opinion is Dennis Skinner. Earlier, I was watched a clip from a year ago of him flipping the bird to the Labour backbench, sticking up for Corbyn in the face of overwhelming hostility from his own party. They jeered him and Jez; whooped sarcastically. A year on and, of course, with a whiff of power again they're well back on side; riding on Corbyn's coat-tails. You've got Tom Watson, sitting directly behind JC, laughing obsequiously at every one of his jokes; the bloke who was one of the biggest architects of the coup attempts against the leader, who persistently sowed discontent and leaked to the media. We need to reward the Dennis Skinners of this generation. We need to reward principles not power-plays.

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[Benji]

Theresa May has been at her most awkward today in France. It's annoying for me, because I relate to her most when she is dropping papers everywhere and being out of time in Mexican waves.

 

[smat]

still no deal between conservatives and DUP

 

[Abertawe]

Yeah it's taking the piss now. What a shambles.

 

[DarkSithLord]

BREAKING UK Government sources: No DUP deal til Thursday at the earliest. Theresa May will unveil Queen's Speech without a Commons majority.

 

[PuB]

No coalition of chaos yet then; just chaos.

 

[Aber gas]

Vote of no confidence incoming .

 

[HertsWolf]

No coalition of chaos yet then; just chaos.

I don't think it's chaos, as such. I think the BBC are struggling to find a word that conveys the same sense of unity, structure, strength and stability as "chaos".

 

[DarkSithLord]

"DUP asking for one billion extra for NHS and one billion extra for infrastructure report colleagues at @BBCnireland"

Playing hardball. No chance of a deal.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

They'll get a deal because the alternative is both get nothing. It'll just take a humiliatingly long time.

 

[smat]

Do they even actually need a deal? How likely are the DUP to actually help vote down the Queen's Speech/anything, given that bringing down the Tories could lead to Jezza having a crack at forming a government?

Whatever happens, May has humiliated herself. AGAIN.