The Cricket Thread

[Ciderhead]

I know we won convincingly but anyone know why Rashid didn't bowl when 2 seamers went at 8 an over + in their 4 overs

Was just how the game went really, rather than any indictment on Rashid. Ali was the first spinner on and bowled really well and the seamers were causing problems with a bit of uneven bounce. During the middle overs we were on top having taken plenty of wickets, we were in control, all the pundits saying India were well under par and it was a 170/180 pitch. Just wasn't needed in the end.

Might be an idea to give him a bowl first up after the powerplay in the next game though, show a bit of faith in him

 

[hodge]

fair enough I wasn't watching, just seemed strange given he's usually one of our better t20 bowlers.

 

[MJA]

Ciderhead has hit the nail on the head, what we did while bowling worked and I felt we had restricted India to a total they wouldn't have been happy with and that proved to be the case. We are looking good in the shortest format of the game and with more and more players seemingly concentrating on this format, we can only get better as more youth comes through.

It is important to finish the tour strongly by claiming this series but it is more important that this (should it happen) doesn't paper over the cracks that have become apparent from the test and 50 over series

 

[Skinner]

I don't think there's too much wrong with our test and ODI side.

Our Test side right now will give anyone away from home a game, bar India obviously but nobody can get near them over there. Saying that, apart from the waving of the white flag in the last couple of tests, we weren't completely blown away.

As for our ODI side, our batting line-up is ridiculous, we'll be the first side to hit 500. We just need a bit more discipline in our bowling. There's talk of bringing in Broad and Anderson for the Champions Trophy but I don't really see the point in Anderson, Broad yes as he's still got years left in him, but let's work on the young lads we've got. I'd much rather see us invest time in one of the Currans than look at Jimmy.

Going on to the domestic scene, wtf are Hampshire doing with their signings? Mason Crane better get game time for England's sake.

 

[lordofthepies]

I've been watching quite a bit of the Big Bash League this year and both the men's and women's competitions have been absolutely brilliant. The ECB really need to learn something from it; it's exactly what T20 cricket should be. Also, it's nice to see The Sledgehammer of Eternal Justice and Tim Bresnan winning the thing and both making contributions in the final.

 

[hodge]

Yeah I've watched a decent amount of it and its been really good. It just comes back to fact if you use the ideal grounds being test match grounds then the smaller counties get screwed financially, maybe a rule along the lines of after the costs of hosting matches are deducted all ticket sales from franchise games are distributed equally amongst the 18 counties? Hosting counties would then still get the benefit of match day money made.

I don't really have much of a problem with the idea of franchise based T20 in England if there is then a smaller county based T20 comp. Say something like 3 groups of 6, each plays 5 games so pot luck whether you're home or away for three. Each group winner and runner up progresses to 1/4 final with 2 best 3rd place teams. This way you have a minimum of 5 games for counties per group and a max of 8 games if you make it to the final. One criticism of current T20 is there are so many group games losing the odd game can not matter. This reduces the amount of cricket making time for a franchise based system as well.

 

[lordofthepies]

Yeah I've watched a decent amount of it and its been really good. It just comes back to fact if you use the ideal grounds being test match grounds then the smaller counties get screwed financially, maybe a rule along the lines of after the costs of hosting matches are deducted all ticket sales from franchise games are distributed equally amongst the 18 counties? Hosting counties would then still get the benefit of match day money made.

I don't really have much of a problem with the idea of franchise based T20 in England if there is then a smaller county based T20 comp. Say something like 3 groups of 6, each plays 5 games so pot luck whether you're home or away for three. Each group winner and runner up progresses to 1/4 final with 2 best 3rd place teams. This way you have a minimum of 5 games for counties per group and a max of 8 games if you make it to the final. One criticism of current T20 is there are so many group games losing the odd game can not matter. This reduces the amount of cricket making time for a franchise based system as well.

I think all recent proposals for a franchise system in the UK have included a revenue-sharing system, which is the way it should be. I also hope that grounds like Derby, Taunton and Worcester would still get to host at least one or two games every season - even though most of the games will obviously be at their bigger neighbours.

 

[hodge]

Fair enough that's good to hear, think the main grounds should be The Oval as a London based team, Cardiff, Manchester, Birmingham, Southampton and don't know what name you'd give Durham's ground for a region/city side Means all grounds are spread out around the country although I could see them adding Leeds/Nottingham to make an 8 team comp, then the final played at Lords Also I'd then have the county T20 final rotate around the country at the grounds where there isn't a franchise.

 

[MJA]

Well to cut out the arguing over whose grounds are used (would obviously be the test venues considering their size) why not consider using football stadiums that have a big enough playing area? I believe this is something that is being looked in to already for a World Cup over and I think the Olympic Stadium has been cleared as having a large enough playing area, the Millennium Stadium has already hosted cricket, the Etihad is likely to be large enough and maybe Hampden in Scotland.

 

[MJA]

Well to cut out the arguing over whose grounds are used (would obviously be the test venues considering their size) why not consider using football stadiums that have a big enough playing area? I believe this is something that is being looked in to already for a World Cup over and I think the Olympic Stadium has been cleared as having a large enough playing area, the Millennium Stadium has already hosted cricket, the Etihad is likely to be large enough and maybe Hampden in Scotland.

And considering the popularity of T20 cricket these days, it might be something for future stadium plans to consider as a multi-sport venue to include cricket

 

[RavenBish]

Fair enough that's good to hear, think the main grounds should be The Oval as a London based team, Cardiff, Manchester, Birmingham, Southampton and don't know what name you'd give Durham's ground for a region/city side Means all grounds are spread out around the country although I could see them adding Leeds/Nottingham to make an 8 team comp, then the final played at Lords Also I'd then have the county T20 final rotate around the country at the grounds where there isn't a franchise.

Trent Bridge is the best cricketing venue in the country (and will get far better attendances than somewhere like Cardiff or Durham) and there is absolutely no way they don't have a franchise based in Yorkshire.

 

[hodge]

Trent Bridge is the best cricketing venue in the country (and will get far better attendances than somewhere like Cardiff or Durham) and there is absolutely no way they don't have a franchise based in Yorkshire.

The thought process was between Notts and Birmingham was Edgbaston has a bigger capacity, Notts was on my list originally. Only listed Durham to emphasise having the teams spread out around the country if only 6 teams, Leeds over Durham while likely leaves the north east without a side and Cardiff being in there as there's nothing for people in the south west with Southampton/Birming being closest. FWIW I reckon they will go with 8 so not to leave a bigger ground out.

 

[Skinner]

Trent Bridge is definitely my favourite ground, after Canterbury, obviously.

Not a fan of Lords, but the Oval is pretty fucking good. Still, Canterbury...

 

[lordofthepies]

I've never seen a game at any of the London grounds but Trent Bridge is absolutely my favourite English cricket ground. I've seen test cricket there a few times and had a lovely time every time.

 

[RavenBish]

Umpires absolutely bottled giving Kohli out there. Fucking plum. Cheating prick.

 

[RavenBish]

He's getting a big score now isn't he. Fucking disgusting that Indian umpires are allowed to do an international game involving India.

 

[RavenBish]

HE'S DONE IT AGAIN. PUT YOUR FINGER UP YOU CORRUPT FUCK

 

[RavenBish]

Stop this idea that Liam Dawson should be bowling in international cricket please

 

[kieran_vale]

Wonderful job there by Moeen Ali, great spell of bowling.

 

[kieran_vale]

How the fuck does that even happen there? That hit the stumps pretty hard.

 

[RavenBish]

THAT SHIT HOUSE OF AN UMPIRE HAS STRUCK AGAIN. SOMEONE PLEASE REPORT THIS TART.

 

[kieran_vale]

That was pretty obvious Root hit that, was a clear deflection.

 

[RavenBish]

Well done India. No DRS and Indian umpires - definitely tactics that the 'best side in the world' should be using. Cheats.

 

[JJH]

What a disgrace, Indian umpire makes at least three fucking shockers. Just a tad suspicious.

 

[MJA]

I came on here to question how we had managed to throw this one away from a winning position but it appears there has been some suspicious activity from the Indians. I thought we had seen an end to non-neutral umpires in international cricket?

And just don't get me started on the fact India get away with not using DRS

 

[hodge]

DRS isn't involved in T20 is it?

 

[Super_horns]

Sums up my day really - rubbish football match and robbed in the cricket!

 

[RavenBish]

England have put in a formal complaint to the ICC about umpire Shamshuddin.

Good.

 

[Ciderhead]

Wish we could pump Mills full of steroids or something so he could get through more than 4 overs

 

[RavenBish]

Billings is a player that I think may regret just sacrificing his red ball career to go touring the globe playing in all the T20 comps. His basic technique still needs to work.

I think Roy needs to go big if we're to win this.