The Labour Thread

[.V.]

As I have for you. I dunno why you haven't seen it. You're aware of the policies and the sort of stuff that Corbyn stands for so I'm not sure what you mean by engaging with you. I thought it was more of an issue of style with you rather than ideas or engagement?
Despite your misgivings about the leadership of the party I'd hope you'd hold your nose and vote or even campaign for Labour like I did under Blair. Brown etc..

I don't know why either, but I'm not aware of it, and it's not like I'm some sort of Daily Mail reading geriatric. If I'm not seeing the result of it, then is the movement really growing and reaching the floating voter and disenfranchised, the people it needs to to win.

Of course I would.

 

[Abertawe]

I think you're over complicating it. Most people don't give a fuck until an election comes around. In this instance you'll have some old hag versus an old fox, one will offer nowt whilst the other will offer free education etc. It won't be a contest, Labour will win by a landslide.

And if you haven't seen a movement you must have your eyes closed. I can't walk through town without seeing a comrade Corbyn sticker. Movements are only serious when there are stickers involved.

 

[.V.]

Rock and a hard place. Could Brexit hurt Labour more than the Tories? Quite possibly.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ervative-ukip-snip-labour-loser-a7502046.html

 

[Abertawe]

What a load of bollox. Please stop spamming with shite articles based on nothing but agenda.

 

[.V.]

What a load of bollox. Please stop spamming with shite articles based on nothing but agenda.

Why is it bollox? Why is it shite? Did you even read all of it?

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

difficult to read with your head that far in the sand tbh tbf

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Len McCluskey suggests Corbyn could step down before the next general election if Labour's poll standings to not improve.

McCluskey is currently fighting a leadership battle for head of Unite I believe, so there maybe another agenda for his comments.

 

[Max]

I think you're over complicating it. Most people don't give a fuck until an election comes around. In this instance you'll have some old hag versus an old fox, one will offer nowt whilst the other will offer free education etc. It won't be a contest, Labour will win by a landslide.

And if you haven't seen a movement you must have your eyes closed. I can't walk through town without seeing a comrade Corbyn sticker. Movements are only serious when there are stickers involved.

Thing is, when you ask people on the street, they overwhelming prefer the, ahem 'old hag' to the 'old fox'. They prefer 'dunno' to the fox, as a matter of fact. by 56 percent. http://labourlist.org/2016/11/theresa-may-posts-huge-lead-over-jeremy-corbyn-in-fresh-poll/

And before it is pointed out, I am aware that British polling companies were flawed at the last general election. But they were flawed by 3% ... in Labour's favour ...

 

[Aber gas]

I'm referring to the vote in December to use a traditional delegate system (favoured by ye olde leftists) as opposed to direct, online democracy (favoured by Lansman and the youth element). Owen Jones talks about it here https://www.theguardian.com/global/...omentum-hope-saved-saboteurs-sectarian-labour

Ok, I've got you. It's not ideal but I'd hope they are put back into their box in the spring. Strange group of people.

 

[.V.]

https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/817323731852857345

 

[Abertawe]

Sample size: 1740.

Convinced.

 

[.V.]

Sample size: 1740.

Convinced.

Are you able to find any evidence to show the opposite?

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

That's absolutely fine as a sample size. Polling's about getting a representative sample, not sheer numbers.

 

[Aber gas]

I've never been asked my opinion in a poll.

 

[Aber gas]

I don't think it's a state sponsored conspiracy before Alty shouts at me. I just wish I had been. I feel like I should have been consulted at some point.

 

[blade1889]

I've never been asked my opinion in a poll.

I'm not sure they have to ask a a balding chef for a retirement home to count as representative

 

[Abertawe]

The only type of person that would participate in polling are nerds so it fails on the representation straight away. Why you would pay credence to polling companies that are owned by trillion dollar investment companies is bewildering anyway or other shady individuals under a private means. YouGov for example, a public limited company with it's biggest shareholder being Black Rock, a 'global investment management corporation' with revenues of 3bn and assets worth many more billion. Black Rock spend pure dough on lobbying all over the globe. Biggest lobbyers in both the US & EU. https://www.ft.com/content/11bc9260-ae1e-11e4-8d51-00144feab7de http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b7bca0ac-...tml?ft_site=falcon&desktop=true#axzz4V1U6JdSn But they have no vested interest whatsofuckingever and it's totally stupid to believe they would manipulate political polling.

 

[Aber gas]

I'm not sure they have to ask a a balding chef for a retirement home to count as representative

Die in a fire.

 

[Aber gas]

Oh gosh. That was really harsh.
Jks

 

[blade1889]

Die in a fire.

Stick your head in a deep fat frier, might clear your pores.

 

[Aber gas]

Stick your head in a deep fat frier, might clear your pores.

Oi, my pores are clearer than a Nivea model about to be poached by Olay.
Oh yeah.

 

[blade1889]

Oi, my pores are clearer than a Nivea model about to be poached by Olay.
Oh yeah.

Oh, they're just moles? Thought you'd got enough black holes in your face to keep Stephen Hawkins occupied for years.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Um, it's kinda in pollsters interests to be accurate otherwise they'll get little repeat business. I mean, people are free to discount their findings but they're usually not THAT FAR wrong.

Anyone suggesting that "the only type of person that would participate in polling are nerds so it fails on the representation straight away" clearly has very little idea as to how they operate in practice.

 

[Aber gas]

Oh, they're just moles? Thought you'd got enough black holes in your face to keep Stephen Hawkins occupied for years.

You're mean.

 

[Aber gas]

Oh, they're just moles? Thought you'd got enough black holes in your face to keep Stephen Hawkins occupied for years.

How many times do have to apologise for the awards debacle? I voted for on the best members list and gave you a lovely write up. This has to stop.

 

[blade1889]

How many times do have to apologise for the awards debacle? I voted for on the best members list and gave you a lovely write up. This has to stop.

It's fine, I've just not seen an episode of RuPaul in ages. My sass has to find other outlets xoxo

 

[Abertawe]

Um, it's kinda in pollsters interests to be accurate otherwise they'll get little repeat business. I mean, people are free to discount their findings but they're usually not THAT FAR wrong.

Anyone suggesting that "the only type of person that would participate in polling are nerds so it fails on the representation straight away" clearly has very little idea as to how they operate in practice.

You know so little it's sad.

 

[.V.]

You know so little it's sad.

Care to enlighten us then?

 

[Abertawe]

Its one and the same, one and the same oh,
So whats the use between death and glory?
How can you choose between death and glory?

 

[.V.]

Its one and the same, one and the same oh,
So whats the use between death and glory?
How can you choose between death and glory?

So you can't enlighten us then?