Welcome Derby County to League 1

[WhiteRussian]

I'd be surprised if Everton even approached him and if he'd even consider it.

Derby is like a free hit for him at the minute, it's perfect to be learning on the job at a professional club rather than at an U23 side where most start.

Big name managers haven't worked with Everton. Even Ancelotti didn't pull up any trees there. I could see them going for him but whether he would accept, I'm not sure.

 

[SF_]

Losing a first team regular to a side in the league below (Shinnie), says it all about their situation and their survival chances. Game over.

 

[Tea Towel]

Losing a first team regular to a side in the league below (Shinnie), says it all about their situation and their survival chances. Game over.

Alan Nixon reckons it’s for £30k as well..

 

[YEO YEO YEO]

Alan Nixon reckons it’s for £30k as well..

Ouch!

 

[Super_horns]

Vacant job at Everton now.

Too early for Rooney ?

Be a sentimental move I guess but whilst Rooney had done well in very trying circumstances be a lot of pressure on him .

 

[Bartonyellow]

Alan Nixon reckons it’s for £30k as well..

That is a real kick in the balls. Seemed a good player. Despite this they won 2-0.
Tom Lawrence is the one they need to keep.

 

[Bobbin']

That is a real kick in the balls. Seemed a good player. Despite this they won 2-0.
Tom Lawrence is the one they need to keep.

Given the wages he’s on I’d say he’s one they need to get rid of.

 

[Bartonyellow]

Given the wages he’s on I’d say he’s one they need to get rid of.

True - but when you see the two goals of absolute quality he scored Saturday, if he goes there goes your chance of staying up.

 

[masi51]

Derby will be relegated this season and next if they are lucky.....then perhaps they can start to rebuild.
I really fear for them now

 

[Bartonyellow]

Derby will be relegated this season and next if they are lucky.....then perhaps they can start to rebuild.
I really fear for them now

It all hinges on the court case with Wycombe and Middlesbrough. A potential buyer has to factor in the massive costs of this. Only like Ashley I think has the funds to do this if he has the appetite to buy them.
if Rooney goes to Everton I think they are done for.

 

[Luke Imp]

Wycombe and Middlesbrough are holding all the cards now. Util they shift their stance or come to an agreement, no-one is going to be comfortable with taking Derby on with the potential of millions of other costs.

Does anyone know how much they're both expecting?

Given Gibson's long-term gripe about how some Championship Clubs are run, I'm not sure he'd be willing to back down tbh.

 

[kieran_vale]

I haven’t really followed it that much in terms of Boro’s claim but what exactly is it they are claiming for? I get Wycombe’s argument even if I doubt it will be successful. Problem really is in the Championship it seems like a lot of people in glass houses throwing stones as almost all those clubs are being run at huge losses trying to chase the Premier League. Derby are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Bobbin']

I haven’t really followed it that much in terms of Boro’s claim but what exactly is it they are claiming for? I get Wycombe’s argument even if I doubt it will be successful. Problem really is in the Championship it seems like a lot of people in glass houses throwing stones as almost all those clubs are being run at huge losses trying to chase the Premier League. Derby are just the tip of the iceberg.

Boro are claiming that they missed out on the play-offs and therefore a chance at promotion due to Derby’s cheating.

They’re also assuming they would have actually won the play-offs. They’re barking up the wrong tree just as Wycombe are.

 

[kieran_vale]

Boro are claiming that they missed out on the play-offs and therefore a chance at promotion due to Derby’s cheating.

They’re also assuming they would have actually won the play-offs. They’re barking up the wrong tree just as Wycombe are.

Yeah if that’s the basis of their claims then it’s frivolous at best. Your second paragraph sums up why as it’s one thing making the playoffs another thing winning them. Clubs like Boro want to be careful though with things like this as it could just as easily come back round on them at some point.

 

[Bartonyellow]

Ironic that both of there clubs could ultimately see derby fold. Surely they do not want that?
Just drop the case. We went down from
The championship and Bolton stayed up and they had all sorts of money problems. Do we sue Bolton for lose of earnings ?
It all has to end somewhere.
Perhaps if the new owner agrees to pay both clubs a set amount for damages and that be that.

 

[NorthernSoul]

Apparently getting a special government grant of 20m to cover the HMRC bill. Qn astonishing move which isn't available to the other 91 clubs in the football league.

Why should tax payers give 20m to one club but the others nothing?

Every other club in administration has to pay HMRC in full and any football creditors. None HMRC or football creditors is 25p in the pound.

Stinks even more when Mel Morris is worth over 500m.

Can imagine a few more law suits joining Wycombe and Middlesbrough going forward.

 

[WhiteRussian]

Apparently getting a special government grant of 20m to cover the HMRC bill. Qn astonishing move which isn't available to the other 91 clubs in the football league.

Why should tax payers give 20m to one club but the others nothing?

Every other club in administration has to pay HMRC in full and any football creditors. None HMRC or football creditors is 25p in the pound.

Stinks even more when Mel Morris is worth over 500m.

Can imagine a few more law suits joining Wycombe and Middlesbrough going forward.

Wow, just wow. A grant? Free, gratis grant?

 

[Luke Imp]

I find it difficult to believe that anyone's going to by the Club without the Stadium (and training ground), which Mel Morris owns.

Not sure how they're going to finance the debts to Michael Dell either.

 

[bigfatron]

Sorry Northernsoul, that is not correct.

Football creditors do not need to be paid in full - some clubs have not; however they get a larger points penalty from the EFL as a result.

HMRC do not automatically get preferential creditor treatment - they need to be a 'controlling creditor', which means more than 25% of the debt is owing to them; however that does appear to be the case here.

HMRC policy is to insist on parity between themselves and football creditors; they will accept less than 100% (after all that's precisely the point of an administration and restructure under the law) but ONLY if other preferential creditors (i.e. football creditors) are treated the exact same.

I assume the 'grant' referred to here is actually the amount HMRC would have to write off; they will agree to a write-off only if they are convinced that to do otherwise would result in winding up delivering even less of a return AND that football creditors also sacrifice the same proportion of their debts.

Based on my own experience of going through administration I would anticipate a restructure that costs Derby an additional points deduction for failing to pay football creditors in full; I also anticipate the EFL giving 'Boro and Wycombe a shove to agree a settlement amount or cap so that a deal can get done.

 

[PuB]

Derby have been given an extra month by the EFL to prove they can last the season

 

[WhiteRussian]

If they give them a few extra extra months they will.

 

[DearneValleyRover]

If they give them a few extra extra months they will.

The EFL will string it out until the end of the season so they don’t have to make a decision

 

[PuB]

‘Derby County is seeking to use insolvency legislation to avoid having to defend the claims of Middlesbrough FC (which commenced initially in January 2021) and Wycombe Wanderers FC. Derby County considers those claims should not be treated as football related debts and that it would be wrong for the EFL to require the Club to have to continue to defend the claims as a condition of continuing membership in circumstances where they have been compromised by way of a restructuring plan. The EFL does not agree with that analysis.’

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www.efl.com

 

[Luke Imp]

Think I read that Mel Morris has stepped up and said he'll personally sort the Middlesbrough/Wycombe issues out?

That should clear the way a bit.

 

[Marked Ox]

Think I read that Mel Morris has stepped up and said he'll personally sort the Middlesbrough/Wycombe issues out?

That should clear the way a bit.

Somebody put his statement on our forum. There was a lot of the "EFL are picking on us", "WAAH, WAAH, WAAH" and because others got away with it then Derby should. He did have some fair points as well such as unintended consequences as players suing and Derby would have a case themselves against other teams. He did suggest that Middlesbrough and Wycombe (who haven't actually initiated legal action according to Morris) sue him instead then the Derby situation could be sorted.

 

[Luke Imp]

Sounds like the deal will collapse today.

 

[Super_horns]

Sounds like the deal will collapse today.

Bad news for Derby - they need a a new investor quickly or their very existence must be in doubt?

Kirchner's Derby takeover expected to collapse

Chris Kirchner's attempt to buy financially-stricken club Derby County is expected to collapse, reports BBC Radio Derby.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Marked Ox]

I really hope they survive but the FL really have to get on top of this and sort it quickly, so we don't have another distorted L1 season with a youth team etc being fielded for half a season.

 

[K-Win]

Grim stuff.

 

[kieran_vale]

I hope for Derby fans sake they still have a club to support. There was previously an issue regards Pride Park so not sure if that is playing a part here.

Longer it’s dragged on it does appear this guy Kirchner come across as a bit of a chancer though. Reminds me of when we were in admin and someone was named preferred bidder with all grand plans etc but when it came to paying the money there were “delays with bank transfers” etc and then did a runner. Be expensive for Kirchner though as normally you have to pay a deposit which will have been lost.