Who Gets Relegated Alongside Ipswich Thread 18/19

[Madejski]

Which Wolves fan said he was shit?

You did

Ipswich want Bodvarsson apparently. Hope it's not true, he's shit but he has a cult hero status with the fans.

 

[Madejski]

Mason scored more than Bodvarsson last season whilst being out injured for half of the season.

More to a striker than scoring goals. My argument was never about him being a good goal scorer, just a good player.

 

[JJH]

More to a striker than scoring goals. My argument was never about him being a good goal scorer, just a good player.

He's not really though. He's just a big shithouse with limited technical ability. You may as well have got Danny Shittu out of retirement and stuck him up top, he wouldn't have cost you £700,000.

 

[markwwfc1992]

His goalscoring ratio was shit, if there is a word that is more damning than shit then it is probably that.

He works hard though, he would run all game and then some, I think thats why fans never write him off. We got 3 goals out of him in about 30 or 40 games, you may get a little more. The problem is if you have a striker that manages about 3 goals a season then you will have problems, just like we did last season. All the running and hard work he puts in can't even defend him against those stats.

Still amazed we managed to get Reading to cough up 3m for him though

 

[Doriva17]

You know you're in for a long season when Bodvarsson makes your team look better.



What's gone wrong at Boro then?

Monk has gone wrong. We play a completely different team and formation every week. He seems to think Fletcher is better than Bamford which is unbelievable. He's turned a really good defence into a shambles because we try to play attacking, the only problem with that is we can't score because we don't create anything, we've scored less than Sunderland. There's no passion there whatsoever. I'm convinced his twitter account is a parody account it's that boring.

 

[Dazza]

Monk has gone wrong. We play a completely different team and formation every week. He seems to think Fletcher is better than Bamford which is unbelievable. He's turned a really good defence into a shambles because we try to play attacking, the only problem with that is we can't score because we don't create anything, we've scored less than Sunderland. There's no passion there whatsoever. I'm convinced his twitter account is a parody account it's that boring.

Sounds exactly the same as us. 0-0 on Saturday then.

 

[JJH]

Monk has gone wrong. We play a completely different team and formation every week. He seems to think Fletcher is better than Bamford which is unbelievable. He's turned a really good defence into a shambles because we try to play attacking, the only problem with that is we can't score because we don't create anything, we've scored less than Sunderland. There's no passion there whatsoever. I'm convinced his twitter account is a parody account it's that boring.

Fletcher not proving his worth just yet then?

 

[HertsWolf]

Still averaging a goal every 200 minutes for us, and was Iceland's key player over the last international break (3 assists in 2 games).

To be fair, when he's outside the country he's in a good team though.

 

[Doriva17]

Fletcher not proving his worth just yet then?

No

 

[The Southbank]

Stam has developed an air of arrogance about him which has made him instantly dislikeable. His continual defence of 'it worked last season and nobody complained' is falling a bit flat considering we spent a shed load in the summer and we have taken a step back.

The team selections are beyond baffling and the performance on Saturday was woeful. I don't get to many games nowadays and I've heard a load of negativity banded about, but fucking hell, I can see why. Players not really in position, Roy Beerens up front, static midfield - we have Liam Kelly, who a least shows a bit of urgency, on the bench, instead playing Dave Edwards and Joey Van Den Berg, who are plodders at this level, frankly. The defence as well has been well below par. Liam Moore is looking a shadow of his former self. Is this really acceptable given Stam was such a defensive mastermind in his playing days? I would expect better; too many soft, cheap goals being conceded.

The hot air over supposedly bringing in a striker over the summer has not helped one bit. They went very public with their search but delivered nothing - why? Were Nelson Oliveira and Jordan Hugill the only options available? Would it not have been prudent to have at least signed somebody half decent so we don't have to persist with playing wingers up front and all sorts of odd combinations.

I wouldn't sack Stam just yet, but he is getting closer with every loss and the baffling, arrogant defence of his, quite frankly, useless tactics at the moment.

 

[SMH]

More to a striker than scoring goals. My argument was never about him being a good goal scorer, just a good player.

Don’t mean to pile on the gloom for you but Bodvarsson sounds very similar to Marc Antoine Fortune who we played up front on his own through the vast majority of the 2014/15 despite the fact that he simply couldn’t score a goal if his life depended on it. That ultimately got us relegated, because no matter how good our defence was (we had England international Harry Maguire at CB for christ sake) we couldn’t put the ball in the net. I fear for you, your season is sounding eerily similar to ours of that year. Playoff heartbreak the previous season followed by relegation.

 

[Super_horns]

Stam has developed an air of arrogance about him which has made him instantly dislikeable. .

Aren't the Dutch known for that and playing for the likes of Man U he probably thinks he knows best?

 

[SF_]

Reading were fucking awful at Deepdale, i'd struggle to remember another team offering as little threat as that.

I think they'll spend big in January though, although Jaap Stam might not be there.

 

[Madejski]

Don’t mean to pile on the gloom for you but Bodvarsson sounds very similar to Marc Antoine Fortune who we played up front on his own through the vast majority of the 2014/15 despite the fact that he simply couldn’t score a goal if his life depended on it. That ultimately got us relegated, because no matter how good our defence was (we had England international Harry Maguire at CB for christ sake) we couldn’t put the ball in the net. I fear for you, your season is sounding eerily similar to ours of that year. Playoff heartbreak the previous season followed by relegation.

At Bodvarrsons current scoring rate he would score 17 goals if he played every minute of every game. Obviously it doesn't work like that and based on a small sample but his lack of goals is as much down to a lack of playing time. He will also be pushed to the bench shortly with Kermorgant back, and we will get a new striker in January.

I don't fear relegation at all. Our team is far superior to the one we had in 2014 that tries to get relegated and somehow couldn't. I think a decent striker and we have a top 6 team, and definitely have the squad depth to match that. The issue is our style of play not suiting our players. We have half a dozen good fast wingers, but they never get a chance to run at the opposition. We have almost the perfect set of players for counter attacking football yet we play almost the complete opposite style.

Stam will be gone this time next week if we were to lose both games.

 

[SMH]

At Bodvarrsons current scoring rate he would score 17 goals if he played every minute of every game. Obviously it doesn't work like that and based on a small sample but his lack of goals is as much down to a lack of playing time. He will also be pushed to the bench shortly with Kermorgant back, and we will get a new striker in January.

I don't fear relegation at all. Our team is far superior to the one we had in 2014 that tries to get relegated and somehow couldn't. I think a decent striker and we have a top 6 team, and definitely have the squad depth to match that. The issue is our style of play not suiting our players. We have half a dozen good fast wingers, but they never get a chance to run at the opposition. We have almost the perfect set of players for counter attacking football yet we play almost the complete opposite style.

Stam will be gone this time next week if we were to lose both games.

You’ve been trying a winger up front and have a foreign arrogant manager who plays a possession game with no creativity or cutting edge in attack. Forgive me but it really does feel like I’m hearing a carbon copy of our season that year. Loads of our fans were the same at this point “too good to go down” “look at our squad” “sack Rosler and we’ll climb the table”. Just whatever you do don’t hire Malky Mackay or a similarly controversial manager when you eventually pull the trigger on Stam.

 

[markwwfc1992]

I remember when our team of Premier League mercenaries was too good to go down.

 

[Madejski]

I'd happily bet against anyone that we won't get relegated.

It would take administration / points deduction for me to have any fear of that.

Seventh favourites for relegation on SkyBet at 7/1, plenty of money to be had.

 

[SkyBluesRose]

Where are the Sunderland fans?

 

[mistermagic]

Aren't the Dutch known for that and playing for the likes of Man U he probably thinks he knows best?

I thought that was our thing.

Should I be worried for my beloved Hull City? 6 points and 4 spots above 22nd isn't a great cushion but don't think the alarm bells should be ringing for Slutsky just yet. Wins against teams down the table are comforting but if those dry out then trouble may arise. Been a while since they were in the 3rd tier.

 

[City169]

Where are the Sunderland fans?

Not at the Stadium of Light.

 

[SF_]

Struggling to see how Grayson can turn this round, gutless players and not wanted by the fans.

Will Sunderland fork out the compo to sack him though?

 

[JoshBCFC]

Struggling to see how Grayson can turn this round, gutless players and not wanted by the fans.

Will Sunderland fork out the compo to sack him though?

Depends whether the owner decides if he gives a shit or not I believe

 

[The Southbank]

Unpopular opinion maybe, but I'd have Alan Pardew back whilst he's available.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Grayson on Sunderland future:

"Am I the right man? Certainly am. I've been through things. There aren't better or experienced managers out there that would want this job, or can do a better job that what I'm doing at the moment in time."

Bolton, the only side below them in the division, are Sunderland's next opponents at the Stadium of Light on Tuesday.

Home form has been a major concern for Grayson, whose side have not won a game on their own turf since beating Watford as a then top-flight club in December 2016.

"I can tell everyone what a great environment we're working in, a positive training ground, but results are all that matters," he added.

"People will make their own minds up whether I'm the right man for the job but ultimately I've improved the club, and there's a lot of work to be done.

What a load of shit. You're 2nd bottom of the league mate, inbetween Burton and Bolton. To say there is nobody better than him available is delusional. I get that Sunderland have been shit for a long time now but for Grayson to think he has improved the club? Seems so desperate to keep his job that he will spout any old shit to keep himself in the seat for another week.

 

[Bobbin']

To be fair, they were bottom last year. They're only second bottom now, I guess in that sense he has improved them!

 

[TomPNE94]

Grayson on Sunderland future:



What a load of shit. You're 2nd bottom of the league mate, inbetween Burton and Bolton. To say there is nobody better than him available is delusional. I get that Sunderland have been shit for a long time now but for Grayson to think he has improved the club? Seems so desperate to keep his job that he will spout any old shit to keep himself in the seat for another week.

Name me one manager that is available that would take the job that could do better? Hint, there isn't one. He's completely right in that sense. Not sure how he's improved the club apart from maybe the toxic atmosphere in the squad but who knows.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Name me one manager that is available that would take the job that could do better? Hint, there isn't one. He's completely right in that sense. Not sure how he's improved the club apart from maybe the toxic atmosphere in the squad but who knows.

I'd have Pardew over him, he would go there I reckon. Hell I think even Paul Lambert wouldn't be 2nd bottom with that team.

 

[Bobbin']

I'd have Pardew over him, he would go there I reckon. Hell I think even Paul Lambert wouldn't be 2nd bottom with that team.

In fairness to Grayson he does say 'that would want this job'.
He's probably right.

 

[TomPNE94]

I'd have Pardew over him, he would go there I reckon. Hell I think even Paul Lambert wouldn't be 2nd bottom with that team.

Pardew 100% wouldn't take it. Lambert may but I doubt he'd do any better. It's just an absolutely poisonous job.

 

[markwwfc1992]

In fairness to Grayson he does say 'that would want this job'.
He's probably right.

As bad as Sunderland are at the minute I still think it's an attractive job to many managers. A huge stadium and potential fan base if they get it right, they could easily be an established Prem club again in a couple of years.