York and Daggers Relegation Thread

[Vanni]

The club I support isn't one of the big sides in L2 so there's always the chance we'll go back down again, HOWEVER it's clearly time for another relegation slot. A straight 3 up 3 down, though I guess the other option of 3rd bottom playing a conference side for a place in the league is also acceptable. The downside to this option would be that the conf. playoff winners won't have won anything unless they beat the league side.

 

[Urban]

Just forget the playoffs, or restructure them. 1st and 2nd replace 23rd and 24th, with a shootout between 3rd and 22nd. Or make it totally crazy, get 21st and 4th involved as well and have a play off: winner 21st vs 4th play the winners of 22nd and 3rd.

There's not enough movement between the two leagues - it's way too hard to get back up.

 

[Soup Ladle]

It should be hard to get back, it's the football league. An institution in professional sport in this country. If you're shite enough to go down, you deserve what's coming. Not in favour of 3 up 3 down at all.

 

[BeesKnees]

It should be hard to get back, it's the football league. An institution in professional sport in this country. If you're shite enough to go down, you deserve what's coming. Not in favour of 3 up 3 down at all.

You'll change your tune if you ever drop. Ask Grimsby, Stockport and Wrexham if it's hard to get back. I must admit I didn't expect to return so quickly and recent changes to the funding now mean ex-league clubs have an even bigger advantage for 2 seasons in the conference assuming they aren't already in financial difficulty.

I'd like to see top 2 plus a play off between 22nd & 3rd,4th,5th in the Conf.
Most seasons there are 2 teams that run away from everyone else and show themselves more than capable in league 2, but it's hard to argue a 3rd league 2 side should drop so I'd like to see them have a chance to prove themselves good enough to warrant staying up.

Otherwise it should be 3 up\down across all divisions, still dont understand why it's 4 between league 1 and 2.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

as we own 3rd bottom , I am not overkeen on the idea

 

[rudebwoyben]

as we own 3rd bottom , I am not overkeen on the idea

That makes you the new Barnet!

 

[Luke Imp]

I've always maintained that the Conference, sorry, National League, isn't strong enough to warrant 3 up and I stand by that. This season's quality has been the lowest it's been in the 5 year we've been down there. The top 2 or 3, as usual, would probably stay up in L2 but below that, I'm not so sure.

It's skewed slightly due to your smaller 'sugar daddy' types i.e. Crawley, Fleetwood and now FGR, Eastleigh, Barrow and Dover then below that who are looking to come up are Fylde, Harrogate, Ebbsfleet, Whitehawk etc. So there are plenty of bankrolled Clubs waiting to get into the National League and then probably turn FT. Ironically enough, the National League are keen to make an example of you and kick you out of the league if you get into any trouble (Darlington, Kettering, Hereford) yet don't impose any form of financial restrictions like L2 i.e. a wage cap.

Contrary to popular belief, it's not that much of a PT league. There are no, to my knowledge, and I stand to be corrected, 'true' PT Clubs i.e. two evenings a week. Southport changed last season to 3 days a week, Chester went FT last season, Barrow went FT this season, Boreham Wood went FT around October.

 

[BeesKnees]

Difference between top half Conf and League two seems more about attitude than ability.
In the conference the win is king, while league two sides are far more defensive and happy to scrape a draw or 1-0 win. The team we had in the first season down was largely unchanged from the side that had shown play-off form in league two for nearly half a season, they failed to get into the play-offs largely through to many draws and not going after sides. Second season Allen sorted that out.
I would say the squad that started in league two this season was weaker than the squad that started last season and our attacking attitude hurt us early on because the better teams in this division picked us off.

 

[jacobncfc]

I wouldn't mind a straight play-off between 22nd and 3rd, an 'earn your place' type thing.

 

[Urban]

Grimsby vs Hartlepool... Makes me wet just thinking about it!

 

[Grecian O'Grecian]

There's not enough movement between the two leagues - it's way too hard to get back up.

Is it actually though? Barnet weren't down there for very long, Bristol Rovers came back at the 1st opportunity, it looks like Cheltenham will do the same and Tranmere also stand a good chance in coming straight back up.

 

[Luke Imp]

Tranmere are in a bit of a false position because they've played 1, 2 or 3 games more than others.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Until there is more financial stability in the Conference, you shouldn't be opening more spots up for relegation, you'll simply see more clubs going bust.

I say that as somebody who supports a team who were there for 8 years and likely are going down forever. Yes it sucks that its hard to get out of, but until it has a bigger safety net in terms of financial losses, I wouldn't want to see more teams come down here to die.

 

[Wombling Kiwi]

All the talk of 3 up 3 down, because it is too hard to get out of the conference, also has the flip side of it being easier to get IN to the conference. As Glasshalffull said, they own 22nd (at the moment) I am sure Hartlepool or Stevenage don't want 22nd to go down at this stage of the season. Keep it hard to get in and out of conference.

 

[jacobncfc]

Our odds have plummeted today amidst a bit of talk we may go into administration and get a 12 point deduction. Very much talk at this stage and a similar thing happened and came to nothing earlier in the season, but we are Notts so this kind of thing does happen.

 

[Aber gas]

Our odds have plummeted today amidst a bit of talk we may go into administration and get a 12 point deduction. Very much talk at this stage and a similar thing happened and came to nothing earlier in the season, but we are Notts so this kind of thing does happen.

Really ? Ffs, even I'm starting to feel sorry for you now.

 

[BeesKnees]

Our odds have plummeted today amidst a bit of talk we may go into administration and get a 12 point deduction. Very much talk at this stage and a similar thing happened and came to nothing earlier in the season, but we are Notts so this kind of thing does happen.

Just looked on your forum

"Somebody called Shaun Batt tweeted that the club has been sold to Hardy an hour ago, "

If the most unpredictable player in football is predicting your demise then you are totally safe.

 

[jacobncfc]

I'd give that forum a very big miss tbh.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Even if that did happen, you'd still be outside the relegation zone ahead two of the worst sides ever in the football league.

Wouldn't worry about relegation.

 

[jacobncfc]

On form we're worse than both of you.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Never underestimate our capacity to surprise you with how awful we are.

 

[Trapdoor]

We could be seeing the lowest ever safety target this year. Would that mean that York and D&R are the two worst sides ever to go down?

 

[rudebwoyben]

We could be seeing the lowest ever safety target this year. Would that mean that York and D&R are the two worst sides ever to go down?

I'm sure that a duo has been relegated before with a similarly low points tally. In terms of individual clubs they are definitely not, Darlo in 09/10 and Doncaster in 97/98 were a lot worse.

 

[GEORGE]

Funny thing !! Don't know if its good or bad but we actually play York & Dagenham last 2 games of the season.

 

[BelizeHatter]

We went down with Chester with a total of 62 points. Eleven more points between them beats that

 

[Vanni]

I'm sure that a duo has been relegated before with a similarly low points tally. In terms of individual clubs they are definitely not, Darlo in 09/10 and Doncaster in 97/98 were a lot worse.

I remember that Donny side, they were terrible and looked like a lower mid-table conference side at best. If my memory is not failing me, they were so broke they couldn't even afford to change their shirts and by Jan/Feb were wearing tattered and badly faded kits.

 

[E10rifle]

I remember that Donny side, they were terrible and looked like a lower mid-table conference side at best. If my memory is not failing me, they were so broke they couldn't even afford to change their shirts and by Jan/Feb were wearing tattered and badly faded kits.

We beat them 12-1 on aggregate that season. We won the home match 8-0 and didn't score in the first 20 or last 25 minutes of the game. Think they had the manager's 17 year old next door neighbour in goal.

 

[Leewilson]

 

[Youpies]

Talk of admin doesn't make sense to me. Surely you get the money from selling rather than paying yourself 0.1p in the pound

 

[hellogregory]

Dagenham are done.

Rebuild job on for Still in the summer but I'd be confident of you making a swift return with him in charge.