Jürgen Kop

[Pagnell]

This season was always going to be a "treat the water" type with Klopp. He's done well to go to two finals but the real judgement will be made next season. If we win Europa then it's a success from when he was hired. We've had some great performances and results and you can tell the direction he wants us to go in as a club but at times has failed to implement it. With a summer and some new signings behind him I'd assume we'll see more of a push towards the top 4. If we fail to win the Europa then this season has been the worst for quite some time.. but that's not solely down to Klopp. I like his desire, passion and attitude and it's reflecting on the players now. The whole season basically rests on next Wednesday, but it's not as if he'll be judged badly by anyone other than Everton or United fans if we lose. He'll obviously be given time.

I don't agree it's been the worst for some time at all. We have made two finals and you can see where the club is going under him, and I believe he will deliver further improvements next season. In the long run I believe we will do very well under him. Granted, some of the results under him have been shit, and the performances with them, but it's understandable given that there isn't a single player in the team he bought and he's still bedding in his style. But unless you judge a season purely on the league table (although, mathematically, we can still finish 5th if results go right, although unlikely), there have definitely been worse. Last season for example.

 

[johnnytodd]

Tell us why you deleted your post ? frothing at the mouth i bet LOL

 

[Kopper]

I don't think we can make the high intensity pressing football we play, work over the course of a season. Rogers' team played the exact same way and he had to cope with injuries and a sudden loss of form from key players. The same is happening with Klopp. We need to be sensible about when we press and when we're content to let the opposition have the ball. We can't run our players into the ground and expect them to come up with trophies.

 

[johnnytodd]

I don't think we can make the high intensity pressing football we play, work over the course of a season. Rogers' team played the exact same way and he had to cope with injuries and a sudden loss of form from key players. The same is happening with Klopp. We need to be sensible about when we press and when we're content to let the opposition have the ball. We can't run our players into the ground and expect them to come up with trophies.

I said the same thing - http://onefootballforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/why-jurgen-klopp-will-fail-at-liverpool.9271/

 

[SALTIRE]

I don't think we can make the high intensity pressing football we play, work over the course of a season. Rogers' team played the exact same way and he had to cope with injuries and a sudden loss of form from key players. The same is happening with Klopp. We need to be sensible about when we press and when we're content to let the opposition have the ball. We can't run our players into the ground and expect them to come up with trophies.

You can if you have a big squad.

 

[JoshBCFC]

You can if you have a big squad.

Which have to all be good enough players to win trophies, and then you have the problem of perfectly capable players on the bench, and will result in arguments and controversy left, right and center.

 

[SALTIRE]

Which have to all be good enough players to win trophies, and then you have the problem of perfectly capable players on the bench, and will result in arguments and controversy left, right and center.

Perhaps but he is charasmatic and capable enough of keeping everyone in check.

 

[DontBringBertie]

Congratulations to Klopp for masterminding his PASSIONATE GEGENPRESSING REVOLUTION to beat Man United, Dortmund and Villareal to get Liverpool to the Europa League final.

Commiserations to Rodgers for losing the Europa League final by signing shit players.

 

[SALTIRE]

Congratulations to Klopp for masterminding his PASSIONATE GEGENPRESSING REVOLUTION to beat Man United, Dortmund and Villareal to get Liverpool to the Europa League final.

Commiserations to Rodgers for losing the Europa League final by signing shit players.

 

[Whitechapel]

I think he's being slowly found out. "early days", his later days at Dortmund almost brought them relegation.

He's a great character mind, and pulls some great faces... I respect that.

 

[johnnytodd]

meanwhile Everton buy the land on the docks for new stadium

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/images-show-vast-scale-potential-11351698

 

[JimJams]

Looks like they've already built a stand too. They don't fuck about do they? I think that grass needs more work though.

 

[johnnytodd]

Looks like they've already built a stand too. They don't fuck about do they? I think that grass needs more work though.

no curve on horizon i notice

 

[mente captus]

his later days at Dortmund almost brought them relegation.

Almost? They finished 7th

 

[johnnytodd]

Almost? They finished 7th

LOL

 

[JoshBCFC]

Perhaps but he is charasmatic and capable enough of keeping everyone in check.

And the end of the day, footballers want to play football, and, despite how nice Klopp is, they won't be at the club for long.

 

[Stocky]

I think he could do well and agree starting from next season is when he can start to be fairly judged.

However, the adulation he's received since going to Liverpool by the media and to an extent their fans (I can understand this to be fair- every club does it. Fans need hope) is baffling. I keep hearing of this Klopp effect and I'm not sure I've really seen it. Their run in the Europa was something Liverpool have been producing under most of their managers for my football lifetime. They've always been a good cup side, as good as anybody in the country (even United and Chelsea in European competitions). I think he could do well but the adulation he's received is strange. If Rodgers had stayed all season and mirrored this campaign with same results in all comps, he'd be getting grief for an awful league campaign and bottling the Europa League final to a more tactically savvy manager.

 

[Pagnell]

On the night the half time talks took the teams in opposite directions, with Seville coming out a different side and Liverpool not building on their superiority in the first half. It wasn't helped by them scoring so damn fast either. However, I don't believe Emery is a more tactically savvy manager, it's far too simplistic to take the result of one game and say it equates to a fair tactical quality comparison between two managers. By that logic Roberto DiMatteo is superior to Pep Guardiola or Jupp Heynckes.

 

[Gashead]

As a neutral I don't think you can say either way that he's been an amazing success or a failure, though I'd lean more towards the former than the latter.

This Liverpool side have been a bit inconsistent, but have put in some promising performances (Dortmund, Man City away and home in the league, Chelsea away, Villa/Saints away) which suggests they could be a force next season if they find that consistency. People critiquing them for 'bottling' it on Wednesday didn't truly expect them to get there in the first place - Sevilla are a good side too.

However, there have been some issues. They seem to struggle under Klopp against solid, physical sides (Watford, Newcastle at St. James are/were solid at times, West Ham etc.). He/they need to learn how to deal with figures like Carroll when they come up against them.

The key for me is that there are signs of promise when Klopp hasn't recruited/hasn't had a full pre-season with the squad. August onwards will be the key in terms of judging him.

 

[Stocky]

On the night the half time talks took the teams in opposite directions, with Seville coming out a different side and Liverpool not building on their superiority in the first half. It wasn't helped by them scoring so damn fast either. However, I don't believe Emery is a more tactically savvy manager, it's far too simplistic to take the result of one game and say it equates to a fair tactical quality comparison between two managers. By that logic Roberto DiMatteo is superior to Pep Guardiola or Jupp Heynckes.

I wasn't saying Emery is more tactically savvy than Klopp, Pagnell. I was saying that if Rodgers had lost that final in that exact manner than that would be the criticism of him from Liverpool fans, football fans and the media.

 

[johnnytodd]

Don't knock Klopp he's currently getting promoted from king to messiah by the 70's mob.

For what it's worth i think he is a good manager and could get them top 6 at best next year.

The squad ( particularly defence) needs a complete overhaul and Henderson needs to lose captains band.

 

[G-Dragon]

Reckon we will see something similar, about 12 players gone.

Bogdan, Skrtel, Ilori, Enrique, Caulker, Joao, Rossiter, Sinclair will leave/have left.
Think Toure, Allen, Lucas, Ibe might have more chance of staying but think they will go too.

 

[SALTIRE]

And the end of the day, footballers want to play football, and, despite how nice Klopp is, they won't be at the club for long.

Yeah he said he'd be there friend but not their best friend and would tell them when they weren't performing. He'll hack out some dead wood quick enough.

 

[SALTIRE]

I wasn't saying Emery is more tactically savvy than Klopp, Pagnell. I was saying that if Rodgers had lost that final in that exact manner than that would be the criticism of him from Liverpool fans, football fans and the media.

Rodgers didn't get Liverpool to a final in three years though whilst Klopp has got them to two in seven months. We probably wouldn't have got to a final at all had Rodgers still been there.

There has been some memorable moments both good and bad this season and there is signs of what Klopp is trying to build, it's going to take time and fresh players to get them up and running fully.

 

[SALTIRE]

Reckon we will see something similar, about 12 players gone.

Bogdan, Skrtel, Ilori, Enrique, Caulker, Joao, Rossiter, Sinclair will leave/have left.
Think Toure, Allen, Lucas, Ibe might have more chance of staying but think they will go too.

After that performance the other night I think Moreno may be moved on also.

Like the signings in for Dortmund there though all very good players. Hopefully he can replicate a bit of that here and give us a real shot at doing something.

 

[JoshBCFC]

Yeah he said he'd be there friend but not their best friend and would tell them when they weren't performing. He'll hack out some dead wood quick enough.

What does this have to do with my original point?

 

[G-Dragon]

What does this have to do with my original point?

Well you said how "nice" Klopp is.

 

[SALTIRE]

What does this have to do with my original point?

That he would be brutal and get rid of them if need be and that it won't be up to the players if they are to stay.

 

[JoshBCFC]

That he would be brutal and get rid of them if need be and that it won't be up to the players if they are to stay.

My point was that you can't have a big squad full of players that are good enough to challenge for the top 4 without arguments and controversy. Sorry if i'm missing something, but I struggle to see what your post has to do with my original point.

Well you said how "nice" Klopp is.

True, but I meant it as the won't want to stay around for long if they aren't playing.

 

[SALTIRE]

My point was that you can't have a big squad full of players that are good enough to challenge for the top 4 without arguments and controversy. Sorry if i'm missing something, but I struggle to see what your post has to do with my original point.

I get that, but he has also said he wants in players who are willing to be part of a longer term project and will probably seek out personalities that put the team before their ego. That's doable even in this day and age, particularly if he brings in a lot of youth with nacent potential.