League 2 General Chat Thread

[Carver]

The ONLY table that matters.

Looks like your club is the best of the rest in 12th.

 

[GTFCfish]

Looks like your club is the best of the rest in 12th.

It’s because we don’t count tickets sold like most teams do so we basically cheat ourselves out of having much better numbers, only ourselves and Port Vale still do that I think.

 

[valefan16]

It’s because we don’t count tickets sold like most teams do so we basically cheat ourselves out of having much better numbers, only ourselves and Port Vale still do that I think.

Correct, if we included ST Holders regardless of attendance we'd probably have 500 more on Saturday's number.

 

[Gladders]

We announced 6500 had been sold for Saturday, attendance was 5800!

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

That's embarrassing.

 

[GTFCfish]

Not often we’re top at something so I’m definitely having this fucker.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825587397561647528

 

[Gladders]

That's embarrassing.

Is it?

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Is it?

Yeah and maybe frustrating for the owners/club.

 

[Son of Cod]

Yeah and maybe frustrating for the owners/club.

Yeah I bet they are fuming about having a third consecutive year of ST sales higher than the previous regime ever achieved.

 

[GTFCfish]

Yeah I bet they are fuming about having a third consecutive year of ST sales higher than the previous regime ever achieved.

Can you imagine what our attendances would be like now if we had any of those quality Championship teams that we had back in the 90’s?

Through the fucking roof.

 

[Gladders]

Yeah and maybe frustrating for the owners/club.

Only if you think we are unique in 500-700 fans who have paid not showing up each week especially during August summer holidays.

Just because other clubs don't announce actual attendances but tickets sold doesn't mean a load of season ticket holders didn't show.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Not unique at all but my the regular guestimates we see it appears no EFL club is impacted more by no shows than GTFC especially after the August summer holidays.

Then you add in the limited ground capacity..... frustrating.

 

[Son of Cod]

Not unique at all but my the regular guestimates we see it appears no EFL club is impacted more by no shows than GTFC especially after the August summer holidays

Once again though...this could well be because pretty much nobody else reports bums on seats.

Then you add in the limited ground capacity..... frustrating.

Not for the owners like your previous post alluded to though. More for fans trying to buy tickets. The owners have consistently batted stadium capacity questions away. It's probably the one major thing the fans and the owners aren't aligned on.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

But over 10%?! That's a big number even for August.

What about the manager, aligned? That's not the case over at Meadow Lane that's for sure.

 

[Son of Cod]

But over 10%?! That's a big number even for August.

What about the manager, aligned? That's not the case over at Meadow Lane that's for sure.

What are you comparing that 10% to though? I'm not saying it isn't a big number, because it is, but if nobody else reports this discrepancy other than Port Vale, who have just gone hell for leather in the transfer market and have a bit of a buzz behind them, there's nothing to tally that up against. Also worth noting this was Cheltenham at home, that's a game that's always likely to be down in attendance in ordinary circumstances.

As far as I'm aware, Artell hasn't spoken about stadium/capacity. Not sure managers generally do chip in on those subjects really, do they? I certainly don't remember him being asked about it.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I apologise I didn't realise that it was only Grimsby and Vale in the EFL who only report bums on seats I thought it was more than that.

No I mean are the owners and fans aligned on Artell as your manager?

 

[kieran_vale]

What are you comparing that 10% to though? I'm not saying it isn't a big number, because it is, but if nobody else reports this discrepancy other than Port Vale, who have just gone hell for leather in the transfer market and have a bit of a buzz behind them, there's nothing to tally that up against. Also worth noting this was Cheltenham at home, that's a game that's always likely to be down in attendance in ordinary circumstances.

As far as I'm aware, Artell hasn't spoken about stadium/capacity. Not sure managers generally do chip in on those subjects really, do they? I certainly don't remember him being asked about it.

I've never really heard a decent reason from Vale as to why we do it that way in all honesty. For the record those who include ST's regardless I think is the right way as it's tickets sold for the event so to speak that really matters.

 

[Son of Cod]

I apologise I didn't realise that it was only Grimsby and Vale in the EFL who only report bums on seats I thought it was more than that.

No I mean are the owners and fans aligned on Artell as your manager?

Oh I was talking about L2 not the whole EFL...I might not even be right on that, there could well be more, I just don't know of any off the top of my head.

And ah okay got it, I'd say the owners and fans are mostly (but probably more on the 50:50 side of mostly in relation to the fans!) aligned on Artell. The vast majority of the fans see what Artell is trying to do and want it to happen, just years and years of failure and relegation scrapping at this level make it very hard for us to see it as something that will truly come to fruition. I think Artell has won over more of the fanbase than he has lost though and most are confident that we look stronger and better than last season.

 

[valefan16]

I've never really heard a decent reason from Vale as to why we do it that way in all honesty. For the record those who include ST's regardless I think is the right way as it's tickets sold for the event so to speak that really matters.

I don't know why we do it, Garlick discussed but didn't really expand on why. We'd look more massive! if we reported tickets sold like everyone else.

 

[Son of Cod]

I've never really heard a decent reason from Vale as to why we do it that way in all honesty. For the record those who include ST's regardless I think is the right way as it's tickets sold for the event so to speak that really matters.

I guess it harks back to the old days, as traditionally that's what was reported? I get that from a financial perspective, tickets sold makes sense but I quite like the actual attendance being the official one. In an ideal world.all clubs would report both numbers and then we can all thrash it out and willy wave and shame each other in a whole new thread.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

As long as we get accurate away support figures that's all that really matters.

Home attendances and the sizeable finances and cashflow it brings into our clubs ain't important by comparison

 

[Gladders]

Not unique at all but my the regular guestimates we see it appears no EFL club is impacted more by no shows than GTFC especially after the August summer holidays.

Then you add in the limited ground capacity..... frustrating.

Sorry I forgot you went to all the other grounds and counted bums on seats and compared to announced attendance to realise Grimsby is impacted by it more than everyone else.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Sorry I forgot you went to all the other grounds and counted bums on seats and compared to announced attendance to realise Grimsby is impacted by it more than everyone else.

I didn't but to be able to do that you have to give more than just Port Vale.

Over 10% no shows is BIG even for August and a problem if you have an insufficient capacity like you do.

 

[valefan16]

I didn't but to be able to do that you have to give more than just Port Vale.

Over 10% no shows is BIG even for August and a problem if you have an insufficient capacity like you do.

It possibly isn't that far fetched in the school holidays that a decent proportion are away on holiday/days out in fairness.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Possibly so. Let's see how many no shows there are when it's not the summer holidays.

 

[Gladders]

I didn't but to be able to do that you have to give more than just Port Vale.

Over 10% no shows is BIG even for August and a problem if you have an insufficient capacity like you do.

It looks big, but how do you know it's not normal and all or most clubs have a similar amount of no shows?

I don't know, only people who do will be the clubs themselves, showing how many tickets have been sold and how many go through the turnstiles.

We seem to be one of the few who announce roughly how many tickets have been sold a day or too before and then actual people through the turnstiles on the day. I don't know why we do it this way or what the advantage is but its what we do.

10% not showing maybe high, it may be normal or it may be low, not sure how we find out.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I will make some enquiries with the World's Oldest Professional Football Club and look to report back.

 

[jacobncfc]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825972039556956373

https://twitter.com/x/status/1825971174473363559

God knows why this happens so late, but that’s the double for Jones to go with the main player of the year. Langstaff and Crowley in the XI as well… that defence we had last season committed some incredible crimes.

 

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[Optipez]

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God knows why this happens so late, but that’s the double for Jones to go with the main player of the year. Langstaff and Crowley in the XI as well… that defence we had last season committed some incredible crimes.

When you see Bass just doing goalkeeping like a goalkeeper you see why we were catastrophically bad in defence last season.