The proper relegation thread.

[BigDaveCUFC]

What I don’t understand with barrow is why they didn’t embrace their non league ness than try to battle against it at this present moment.

Barrow should easily be the worst away trip for most sides, long long trek, horrid weather, crabby ground, poor away end, poor facilities…….perfect set up for good home form.

Instead they spent the season battling the bottom of table trying to play nice fancy passing game and worrying about players training in hope none of them players dare have to venture near Barrow unless it’s for a match.

No wonder they have little passion battle or scrap to them.

Accrington have thrived off making their ground a right sh*tty place to go

 

[Chief Rocka]

But counter point, Barra got up here in the first place (COVID assisted ofc) by playing some proper decent football, rather cringe but they dubbed themselves Barracelona.

From the outside looking in it just looks like a series of cack managerial appointments, Evatt dumped them, Dunn was madness, Jolley was a sex offender, did Cooper even want to be there? as for Brown, disaster waiting to happen.

 

[BarraMatt]

We also appointed a CEO that had (I think) no footballing or business background, but was a fan that was the chairman of the supporters Trust. He's no longer there, and he hasn't been replaced, similar to a few other off field positions. Gets more barmy the more you think about it.

When we go down no doubt we will have a proportion of the fanbase saying we've been unlucky for one reason of another, losing Evatt, first season behind close doors etc. It isn't unlucky at all, we deserve what comes, if there weren't other clubs (including last season) with off field problems we'd already be gone.

 

[Railway Blue]

We also appointed a CEO that had (I think) no footballing or business background, but was a fan that was the chairman of the supporters Trust. He's no longer there, and he hasn't been replaced, similar to a few other off field positions. Gets more barmy the more you think about it.

When we go down no doubt we will have a proportion of the fanbase saying we've been unlucky for one reason of another, losing Evatt, first season behind close doors etc. It isn't unlucky at all, we deserve what comes, if there weren't other clubs (including last season) with off field problems we'd already be gone.

I really hope you stay up after the wait you've had to get up. I think if you do survive which I think you will, you need to break the bank to get somewone in who can score regularly for you next season.

 

[BarraMatt]

I really hope you stay up after the wait you've had to get up. I think if you do survive which I think you will, you need to break the bank to get somewone in who can score regularly for you next season.

Alternative scenarios are good and all that but I really think if we still had Quigley we'd be sat nicely in midtable.

 

[AdamStag]

You do worry for scunthorpe though.

If i were a betting man i bet they don’t see the league again for 5 seasons, they’ll probably be more likely to go down again than come back up.

The conference is a ghastly place.

 

[hellogregory]

You do worry for scunthorpe though.

If i were a betting man i bet they don’t see the league again for 5 seasons, they’ll probably be more likely to go down again than come back up.

The conference is a ghastly place.

That’s what I fear for us when the inevitable relegation happens whether it be next season or in 3 years time. Unless of course we get a change of ownership.

But we’ll be gone for a lot longer than 5 seasons!

 

[kieran_vale]

You do worry for scunthorpe though.

If i were a betting man i bet they don’t see the league again for 5 seasons, they’ll probably be more likely to go down again than come back up.

The conference is a ghastly place.

Is it really that bad? Just a quick glance of the table there’s still a team on minus points in April so you have to be some state to go down again. Stockport are as good as up so that’s at least one of the money clubs out the way and Wrexham or Notts will win the playoffs so that’s another. Take a year to sort out the off field stuff and a timely return isn’t impossible.

 

[Bottega Don]

You do worry for scunthorpe though.

If i were a betting man i bet they don’t see the league again for 5 seasons, they’ll probably be more likely to go down again than come back up.

The conference is a ghastly place.

We will be out of business in the next year, Scunthorpe will never witness a league football match again

 

[AdamStag]

Is it really that bad? Just a quick glance of the table there’s still a team on minus points in April so you have to be some state to go down again. Stockport are as good as up so that’s at least one of the money clubs out the way and Wrexham or Notts will win the playoffs so that’s another. Take a year to sort out the off field stuff and a timely return isn’t impossible.

With respect yeah, it’s one of those where if you’ve never been down there you think it’s all fun and games and basically a league 3 - it isn’t.

Dover are basically in that state as they couldn’t finish last season had to let pretty much everyone go so they didn’t fold under covid.

As you do say though stockport are up, with someone else, and scunthorpe and barrow/stevenage/oldham wouldn’t look likely to challenge the top sides down there.

Just the idea of being down there sends shivers down my spine, urgh

 

[PuB]

Point of order here, Dover actually made a profit during the season where they decided not to play. Guess it helps that their chairman was on the board allocating where funding went.

 

[Chief Rocka]

They should’ve been hung drawn and quartered last season when they refused to play whilst other teams of a similar size or smaller struggled to complete the season.

Now they’re about to slip into even greater obscurity now, hopefully to never be seen again, happy days!

 

[JaredSUFC]

They should’ve been hung drawn and quartered last season when they refused to play whilst other teams of a similar size or smaller struggled to complete the season.

Now they’re about to slip into even greater obscurity now, hopefully to never be seen again, happy days!

I initially thought they had gotten off lightly for refusing to play last season, but seeing what’s happened to them since, the punishment they got was actually horrific, long and lingering rather than swift.

You’ve got to admire the sick genius of it

 

[chipmunx]

I initially thought they had gotten off lightly for refusing to play last season, but seeing what’s happened to them since, the punishment they got was actually horrific, long and lingering rather than swift.

You’ve got to admire the sick genius of it

and then there's their team torturing their fans;- i mean when you're 3 goals up away at a welsh team mid way through the 2nd half and your fans finally have something to cheer about in a game.... and then go on to lose it.....

 

[Soup Ladle]

That’s what I fear for us when the inevitable relegation happens whether it be next season or in 3 years time.

But we’ll be gone for a lot longer than 5 seasons!

I had the exact same mindset and thought we'd never come back but we did. You don't need loads of cash to go up. It helps but it's not the end of the line if you don't. We got lucky and appointed Challinor after he was bizarrely sacked by Fylde. He'd only ever managed with big budgets and people were sceptical he could do it with us. Higher expectations but hardly any money. It took him around half a season to stabilise things then we went up the following season.

The key to how long you stay is who you appoint and sign, plus the mentality of the club and fans about being there. Helps to get players in with good recent pedigree at that level and a few grafters who'll put a shift in on a Tuesday at Nuneaton or somewhere. As a bigger club down there you'll have a load of players from whatever end of the country willing to sign because you are a bigger name, crowds, facilities etc. It's harder to get that range in L2 unless you're paying top dollar or offering long contracts so you would find you've become a bigger draw.

If anyone goes down, accept it might take time and don't be too snobby. We were the first couple of seasons before DC came in and the Vic was dead toxic, players abused on social media etc. Accept that if there's at least signs something is building then not to be too upset getting beat off Maidenhead etc. But like I say getting the right manager and core of the team is an absolute must.

 

[shoddycollins]

<hg> we're in serious trouble, you might as well relegate us now because there's not a chance two teams finish beneath us, but amazingly the bookies haven't cottoned on are still offering long odds on it. Literally giving money away, put everything you have on Carlisle to go down because they'll realise their mistake very soon </hg>

 

[Soup Ladle]

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[hellogregory]

<hg> we're in serious trouble, you might as well relegate us now because there's not a chance two teams finish beneath us, but amazingly the bookies haven't cottoned on are still offering long odds on it. Literally giving money away, put everything you have on Carlisle to go down because they'll realise their mistake very soon </hg>

Simmo has almost saved us. It’s highly unlikely we’ll go down now, so you can cut that out now. What a job he’s done. We can almost relax, I’d like one more win to seal it, but we likely won’t need it.

However if we fail to keep Simmo and continue with this ownership, I expect another struggle next season. One thing about this board of directors, they are experts at making the same mistakes time upon time again.

 

[valefan16]

Oldham looked alright today, had far more fight than most we’ve played and looked streets ahead of Stevenage.

They were dire when they beat us in November but we’re much improved today, although still would worry as a fan in terms of the chances they concede.

 

[Optimistic Poolie]

If anyone goes down, accept it might take time and don't be too snobby. We were the first couple of seasons before DC came in and the Vic was dead toxic, players abused on social media etc. Accept that if there's at least signs something is building then not to be too upset getting beat off Maidenhead etc. But like I say getting the right manager and core of the team is an absolute must.

The fact we had stayed up by skin of our teeth for the couple years previous, I naively looked forward to it at first, thought we would challenge to bounce straight back up and looked forward to a bit of positivity for a one off novelty season going to some grounds I’d never been to before etc.

Couldn’t have been more wrong, the first couple seasons down there were horrific. Club was ran into the ground in the most tinpot way possible, the worst set of players imaginable, the toxic atmosphere, getting turned over off the likes of Dover.

Nothing prepares you for how shambolic it actually is.

 

[chipmunx]

Our fixtures between now and the end of the season are horrendous - but Oldham's are pretty similar. We both have to play Northampton, Salford and FGR. all who have lots to play for. We have Exeter (A) Swindon (A) whilst Oldham have Tranmere (A) - again they all have things to play for....it might come down to the results of Barrow v Sutton and Oldham v Crawley. Historically we do well against Sutton at home, but they have a lot to play for too, whilst Oldham face a Crawley side who will be well and truly on the beach.
And worst of all I can't see Stevenage getting less than a minimumn 4 or 5 points from their games - so both us and Oldham would need at least 6 points to send them down. it's grim up north at present.

 

[Soup Ladle]

Really hope I'm wrong like but looking at the fixtures, can see Stevenage staying up with room to spare.

Between Oldham and Barra for me. Is Fondop fit yet? He is unbelievably shit but can see his eight legs being a nuisance in this kind of situation...

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Any clubs other than Derby looking like they might go pop?

 

[SELatic]

Really hope I'm wrong like but looking at the fixtures, can see Stevenage staying up with room to spare.

Between Oldham and Barra for me. Is Fondop fit yet? He is unbelievably shit but can see his eight legs being a nuisance in this kind of situation...

Fondop’s out for the season. Bagged 2 goals in about 70 minutes for us and then out for the season.

 

[Bottega Don]

Any clubs other than Derby looking like they might go pop?

We will but that unfortunately won’t benefit you

 

[BarraMatt]

Any clubs other than Derby looking like they might go pop?

We'd be forever known as Technicality FC.

 

[valefan16]

Watch Stevenage finish 23rd and then Derby go pop and get another reprieve!

 

[Monkey Tennis]

We'd be forever known as Technicality FC.

Forest Green already claimed that nickname back in the Conference days.

 

[FGR Stroud]

Forest Green already claimed that nickname back in the Conference days.

Name I've not come across associated with FGR.
Moneybags - YES

 

[Bone Idle]

So if scunny lose at orient their relegation is sealed. thats a forgone conclution then but then it gets interesting 3 teams on 37 points. i can see both oldham and stevenage getting wins on friday but i think forest green will have too much for barrow so if i were a barrow supporter i would be a little concerned. hope i am wrong though and barrow get something and stevenage get battered.